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29th July 2009, 01:00
harvick#1

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Speedometers are even less reliable. To use a mechanical cable gauge, the gauge would have to be calibrated to read up to 150% of the car's expected cruising speed. And an electric gauge with a hall-effect or permanent magnet sensor could be used to create a traction control system.

everyother major racing series has speedometers to the exact, or does Nascar like to stay in the 19th century.

I just say have it like all the other series and have a limiter button in the car.
29th July 2009, 02:52
muggle not

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

The Panel on SPEED's NASCAR show explained exactly the same thing, and Mikey Waltrip and Biffle both were right on the money when they said their scoring monitor for pit row is available and they can watch NASCAR's monitoring the speeds in each segment. I suspect that feed of that monitor is available to any of the teams along with the regular scoring monitor. It isn't selective enforcement.

Fact is many teams and drivers get nailed for speeding all the time. However, it seems that there are a few Juan fans that like to complain when their guy gets nailed. I wonder why they think Juan should be exempt from a penalty.
30th July 2009, 01:46
PA Rick

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Originally Posted by muggle not

Fact is many teams and drivers get nailed for speeding all the time. However, it seems that there are a few Juan fans that like to complain when their guy gets nailed. I wonder why they think Juan should be exempt from a penalty.

NASCAR could eliminate all the fuss if they published a list of all the drivers in all the traps. The data is there. This could be a tool for the drivers to determine how close they are to the limit.
30th July 2009, 02:11
Mark in Oshawa

Rick, the teams that get penalized are GIVEN a copy of the printout. Felix Sabates was all over it until he saw the print out and he and Brian Pattie told Juan the bad news after the race.

The problem lies in these new tach's which are preset by the engineers and they are set in theory to let you run right up to the limit. The problem is variences in wheel size through stagger and the imprecise method of measuring your speed through a tach. If Juan was just a tad conservative, he would have likely made it. Lets face the reality, the limit is 55 and you are given 5mph grace. You cant whine going 60.11. Believe me, Juan winning this race is a far more sexy story for NASCAR than Mr. Vanilla taking another Brickyard win...
30th July 2009, 21:08
PA Rick

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Rick, the teams that get penalized are GIVEN a copy of the printout. Felix Sabates was all over it until he saw the print out and he and Brian Pattie told Juan the bad news after the race.

The problem lies in these new tach's which are preset by the engineers and they are set in theory to let you run right up to the limit. The problem is variences in wheel size through stagger and the imprecise method of measuring your speed through a tach. If Juan was just a tad conservative, he would have likely made it. Lets face the reality, the limit is 55 and you are given 5mph grace. You cant whine going 60.11. Believe me, Juan winning this race is a far more sexy story for NASCAR than Mr. Vanilla taking another Brickyard win...

Are they given a copy of the printout of the other car's speeds? So there is still the possibility of 3 cars speeding and two cars getting penalized.
As far as the tach calibration is concerned, it is my understanding it is calibrated real time using the pace car. Does the pace car run at 55 or 60 to calibrate this and what electronic speed control is used to control the speed of the pace car?
It appears there are a lot of areas to selectively manipulate factors. Transparency creates trust.
30th July 2009, 21:33
PA Rick

To put it in perspective, Juan got to the next timing loop ,0031 early once and .0017 the other time. He was speeding by 3.3 inches the first time and 1.8 inches the second time. I know the output is precice but how accurate and repeatable are the transponders?
31st July 2009, 00:55
dj4monie

NASCAR likes a dumbed down series even its very expensive to be competitive. I don't understand they can't allow a Pit Road Speed Limiter on the cars, push a button the MSD box won't over a certain RPM if your in the correct gear.

I won't say he got robbed but c'mon, a five mph cushion is 60mph. Are you trying to tell me NASCAR is counting down to the last tenth of a mph, if they are that's quite silly and it was in 2 of 4 sectors, how about in 3 sectors and then a penalty?

Until they resolve silly issues like this among other things, NASCAR Cup will continue to be manufactured racing, bordering on WWE and considered Entertainment and not actual Motorsports by MANY around the world.

I expect Montoya to be just as fast around Pocono this weekend
31st July 2009, 01:06
dj4monie

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Originally Posted by muggle not

Fact is many teams and drivers get nailed for speeding all the time. However, it seems that there are a few Juan fans that like to complain when their guy gets nailed. I wonder why they think Juan should be exempt from a penalty.

Exempt? Its Mickey Mouse Rules Making at best. Pit Road speeding is a RARE in other series.

Nobody ever confused intelligence with the NASCAR fan base and OH can I give examples...

The fury if something like this would happen to Jr, ha this is MILD compared to that outrage which one day I guarantee will get somebody killed.
31st July 2009, 02:49
muggle not

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Originally Posted by dj4monie

Exempt? Its Mickey Mouse Rules Making at best. Pit Road speeding is a RARE in other series.

Nobody ever confused intelligence with the NASCAR fan base and OH can I give examples...

The fury if something like this would happen to Jr, ha this is MILD compared to that outrage which one day I guarantee will get somebody killed.

What other series in the U.S. does anyone watch. Who cares what the other series rules are, this is Nascar. Just because the OW drivers can't compete successfully in Nascar is no reason to change the rules for them. If you ever actually watched a Nascar race you would have seen that Jr has been penalized for speeding, same as most other drivers at some time. Those are the rules, if you don't like them go watch the cars that drive themselves.
31st July 2009, 04:39
Sparky1329

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Originally Posted by dj4monie

Exempt? Its Mickey Mouse Rules Making at best. Pit Road speeding is a RARE in other series.

Nobody ever confused intelligence with the NASCAR fan base and OH can I give examples...

The fury if something like this would happen to Jr, ha this is MILD compared to that outrage which one day I guarantee will get somebody killed.

And yet you're posting in this forum. :rolleyes:

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