Enough is enough, even to some Israelis

Ok Eki, you go to Iran and openly be critical of the Govt. or radical Islam and see what happens.
A couple of hand picked quisling types in Parliament do not make a free country.
After all pronouncing death sentences on Muslim authors that do not live in Iran who disagree with your vision of an Islamic world is certainly a good example of freedom of expression.
Not to mention arming of terrorists. But I forgot that you are a member of Hamas.

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

I disagree. The Jewish (Israeli) religion is from one semetic tribe that took up the religion of Judaism. The Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrian & Jordian countries and people are all made up of semetic tribes. The others became, or were muslim and some later were christian. The Roman Catholic and Greek Orthadox churches grew out of Judaism although they were not of the semetic tribes.
Confusing, yes but the jewish people were basically always there.
They are as much a semetic tribe as the palestinians.
I do not agree with Israels' treatment of the palestinian population but I believe, maybe optimistically, that if real peace came about the Israelis would gradually ease and eventually do away with restrictions.
I do not think I will live long enough to see that.

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Not trying to beat a dead horse old chum but their is also this:

Babylon, the cradle of civilisation, was also the birthplace of the Hebrews, long before the People of Israel became a nation and appeared on the stage of history. This land was the birthplace of the Patriarch Abraham, who left Ur Kassdim, the ancient city in southern Mesopotamia, approximately 1900 B.C.E., in compliance with a Divine command, and migrated "To the land that I will show you," The Promised Land.


http://www.iraqijews.org/

Aye. Migration has been the history of the world. The spread of one tribe only stops when they bump into a stronger tribe, in very simplified terms.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

I'm not sure how relevant the Muslim, Jewish question is.

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Not sure eh? This isn't a matter or how relevant the question is, this is THE ONLY question.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Considering the fact that they both follow the old testament, in terms of it's "superstition" My point is that neither have a more legitimate claim on the land when it comes down to who was there first!

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Your point unfortunately is therefore wrong - the land was given to Abraham, then Isaac, then Israel.
God said to him, "Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel." So he named him Israel.
And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will come from your body. The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you, and I will give this land to your descendants after you."
- Genesis 35:10-12

Since both the Jews and Muslims hold the Pentitude as being scriptural reliable, the land rightfully belongs to the descendants of Jacob (Israel).
Having said that, any oppression by the Israelis of Palestinians is also in violation of their own scripture:
Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.
- Exodus 22:21

When both sides continue to hack each other to bits, then I have no sympathy for either of them. I'll even go so far as to accuse the Semites themselves as being the most Anti-Semitic people on earth.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Not sure eh? This isn't a matter or how relevant the question is, this is THE ONLY question.



Your point unfortunately is therefore wrong - the land was given to Abraham, then Isaac, then Israel.
God said to him, "Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel." So he named him Israel.
And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will come from your body. The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you, and I will give this land to your descendants after you."
- Genesis 35:10-12

Since both the Jews and Muslims hold the Pentitude as being scriptural reliable, the land rightfully belongs to the descendants of Jacob (Israel).
Having said that, any oppression by the Israelis of Palestinians is also in violation of their own scripture:
Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.
- Exodus 22:21

When both sides continue to hack each other to bits, then I have no sympathy for either of them. I'll even go so far as to accuse the Semites themselves as being the most Anti-Semitic people on earth.

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Originally Posted by tazio

I'm not sure how relavent the Muslim, Jewish question is.
considering the fact that they both follow the old testament, in terms of it's "superstition"
My point is that neither have a more legitamate claim on the land when it comes down to who was there first!

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That was my only claim in that regard and it was in respect to one made by ED

Don't cherry pick my posts je*k-wad. I havn't condoned the violence on either side.
Simply stated that neither have an exclusive claim on the land!
Have a nice day ;)

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Not sure eh? This isn't a matter or how relevant the question is, this is THE ONLY question.



Your point unfortunately is therefore wrong - the land was given to Abraham, then Isaac, then Israel.
God said to him, "Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel." So he named him Israel.
And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will come from your body. The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you, and I will give this land to your descendants after you."
- Genesis 35:10-12

Since both the Jews and Muslims hold the Pentitude as being scriptural reliable, the land rightfully belongs to the descendants of Jacob (Israel).
Having said that, any oppression by the Israelis of Palestinians is also in violation of their own scripture:
Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.
- Exodus 22:21

When both sides continue to hack each other to bits, then I have no sympathy for either of them. I'll even go so far as to accuse the Semites themselves as being the most Anti-Semitic people on earth.

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Rollo, it is a good bit of research you did there but you do realize some cherry pick to believe what they want from the Old Testament or New, or Koran for that matter.

My only point I have with all of this is this Idea that Israelis are bent on Genocide. If they were, the carnage would be worse...BELIEVE ME.

The thing is though, is that the whole argument over who owns the land is founded on religion. Since Moses is one of the Ulul Azmi (one of the five highest and most revered prophets in Islam) and since the teachings of the Ulul Azmi are binding on all Muslims according to the Koran, then it follows that both Muslims and Jews must accept what is placed before them.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The thing is though, is that the whole argument over who owns the land is founded on religion. Since Moses is one of the Ulul Azmi (one of the five highest and most revered prophets in Islam) and since the teachings of the Ulul Azmi are binding on all Muslims according to the Koran, then it follows that both Muslims and Jews must accept what is placed before them.

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5 bucks says the Jew's are more accepting of this than most Moslems.....

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Originally Posted by Rollo

When both Jews and Muslims claim that Jerusalem is holy land, and both of them claim that their claim is better than the other, added to the fact that this argument is older than either the modern states of Israel and Palestine, then the general conflict will never have a solution ever.

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Yes! These are religious wars, mindless and endless!