haha i just can't get over how you are presenting a CAMS policy document from NINETEEN NINETY TWO as the basis of your argument over V8 Supercar eligability in TWO THOUSAND AND NINE!
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haha i just can't get over how you are presenting a CAMS policy document from NINETEEN NINETY TWO as the basis of your argument over V8 Supercar eligability in TWO THOUSAND AND NINE!
Did you not see post 12? I believe I was answering your allegation.
This is what you said
And again, NO cars are going to be on the presrcibed list unless a manufacturer presents a car for inclusion! A team can't just front up to race a BMW 5 series for arguments sake if BMW hasn't submited a BMW 5 series for homologation under V8 supercar rules, thats just common sense and is the same accross any touring car catagory in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
The reason why only a Ford and Holden is on the list is because they are so far the only manufacturers to present a car for homologation, which is quite a lengthy process because they must evaluate the aero of the car, the configuration of the proposed engines etc etc to ensure they conform with the Project Blueprint regulations which is what governs the design of modern V8 Supercars.
V8 Supercars are not going to build a raft of prototype V8 supercars for all of the worlds different manufacturers now are they, the manufacturers have to do that themselfs, just as Ford and Holden must do, and then present that car for homologation to V8 supercar who either approve or dissprove the car. Its the same as how last year 888, FPR and SBR where hired by Ford to work together on a prototype FG Falcon V8 Supercar to present to the V8 Supercar board, who then evaluated the car in a series of tests before approving the car to race and then adding it to the approved car list, untill this was done however it was NOT added to the approved car list, even though the model was on sale.
Please, understand the facts, if you do you will see your error
But Ford & Holden still sell cars with V8s in them, there is still the V8 relationship between the road car and race car.Quote:
Originally Posted by RJL25
What point would it have been for Nissan to compete if they had to run a V8?? They didn't sell a car with a V8, what would there have been to be gained? BMW weren't pushing their V8 range down here, plus there's Toyota (who did back the 2L category for a season) etc etc.....
The likes of Nissan and BMW didn't want to develop cars solely for Australian touring car racing, they wanted to bring developed cars in ready to race, and infact that was part of the original idea when the 'post-1992' regs were announced.
ok firstly, Opel don't sell V8 Astra's, but that didn't stop them being involved in the DTM for a long time.
Secondly, try and guess what the most expensive catagory in Australian motorsport history was? I'll tell ya, it was Group A!
You see you say that the "whole idea of the post 1992 regs was to bring developed cars in to race" but mate thats exactly what Group A was, and it was so bloody expensive that hardly anyone could compete!
Fred Gibsons GTR's are commonly recongnised around the world as the fastest Group A Nissans ever made, BUT it helped a lot that there was only one other team that was competitive anyway in Dick Johnson Racing, their was only two truly competitive teams out there because the catagory was just too darn expensive. Grids of 12 cars was the norm.
Now the catagory maximum is 30 cars and they could easily field more, the reason was because in 1992 they came up with a set of regulations that was CHEAP. As the years went on and it became V8 Supercar and more and more money came in with greater TV deals etc slowly the sports technical regs evolved and the cars are now quite sophisticated even though some people like to point at the pushrods and think "low tech!" even though that is just one very small aspect of the overall package, but this is digressing, they needed to change the rules to a very cheap package and developed production cars wasn't the economically viable solution people seem to think it is, they needed to move away from this and Nissan got the sooks because they wanted production car racing, even though production car racing still exists to this very day in Australia and guess what Nissan aren't involved, go figure.
Fact is the only manufacturers interested where Ford and Holden so originally the rules where modelled around them, however at no point where other manufacturers "banned" from competeing, at worst the rules discouraged them, but they where absolutely never EVER banned from competeing and as we speak in this very day, V8 Supercars are actively persuing new manufacturers to get involved, thats fact
by the way, people talk as if Australia is the only country that moved away from the Group A regulations and therefore "banned" the group A Nissan GTR, but thats just plain crap.
Group A was abandoned all around the world, not just in Australia, and infact Australia was one of the LAST countries to move away from the Group A regulations.
Facts of the matter are that Group A died GLOBALLY, so each championship around the world which used it had to find a replacement, Australia chose V8's, but many other countries chose many other things, Australia wasn't the only country that moved to a set of regulations that didn't particularly suit the GTR, which is why Nissan isn't involved in a lot of touring car racing GLOBALLY, not just in Australia...
And anyway Nissan was just plain ripping people off anyway, they where selling factory Nissan "Nismo" parts to group A privateers for stupid money, $18,000 for a turbo, $9,000 for a water pump, they where even selling "ready to race" group A skyline engines, for a huge price, producing 500HP. Here in Australia Gibson Motorsport's Nissan's where producing 625HP, but Nissan Japan prevented Gibson from selling any of their stuff because obviously it would cut into Nismo's business.
In the end, in many ways, the demise of Group A around the world gave Nissan exactly what they deserved!
And yet they were very successful in the BTCC with the Primera.
V8s at the moment are odd (much like DTM IMO) because it bears little resemblance to road going cars. When you have to chop your wheelbase and body to make it fit existing regs it stops being touring cars and becomes a prototype series.
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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Primera was FWD. Audi ran 4WD quattro but 4WD got banned.
The regs in V8SC is no different to super2000 touring cars today running ballast - different ways and means of ensuring parity and close competition.
Off topic but any idea why Nissan couldn't continue the GTR in Class1 guise in DTM the regs then were perfect - driver aids, TC, ABS, 4WD.
The DTM until 1996 (before a brief hiatus until 2000) were limited to 2500cc. Although the R32 GTR was orginally designed to have a 2350cc engine, owing to a multiplication rule in Group A, the car was redesigned with a 2568cc engine which pushed it up a class and therefore meant that it sat on wider tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Ahh forgot Class 1 was limited 2.5L. Would've been interesting if Nissan thought about homologation to Class 1 even though JTCC still ran Group A regs in the early 90s.