Glock/Toyota paid off to slow on the last lap?[merged]

Glock wants to drive in HK's car next year or so, and was demonstrating his "team skills".....no sire he will not complain about being required to Q with heaveirer tanks to stay out of LH's way

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Most people know very well how dry tyres and a wet track work but it just seemed like Glock basically left the door open for Hamilton. Who knows. Perhaps his tyres just went off but he was very slow around the last couple of corners. As with a lot of these things it would be very difficult to prove anything of course :) I think it's a very fair view to have, just as I can perfectly understand why people are saying that it was just the wrong tyres on a track that was a bit wet. Who knows but I think the OP has a valid point :)

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NO Doubt...someone needs to check his emails, driver data and radio comunocations....on the other hand, no MAC for Vettel anytime sooner

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Originally Posted by bowers

Try reading, nowhere in this thread have I said Glock was on rains... it's common knowledge he was on dry tires on his last stint. He was setting faster lap times on all but that last lap on his dry tires!!! Put your bias aside and think about it... at this point in time we don't know if he went off track (also a high possibility) but if he didn't, losing 15+ seconds on the last lap to a guy that was slower/equal to you can be considered suspicious right now.


Also Kubica joining the battle hampered Vettel way more than Hamilton as he actually fought with Vettel and casually strolled past Hamilton in an attempt to get his lap back (you know incase the safety car came out it would make a lot of sense to do that), but that is an absolute non-issue so why you're even bringing it up confuses me.

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Why don't you put your bias aside and see that Glock's team mate was just as slow.

As for Kubica, he shouldn't have been involved at that time. If the SC had come out then the race probably would have finished behind it meaning that it would have made no difference, or lapped cars would be allowed to pass and join the back of the snake.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

no evidence apart form the rain you mean, and the slow sector times all lap, virtually identical to the other car on drys.

why in the world would Toyota ever even consider accepting a bribe, even if you entertain the thought that one was offered.

i suggest you check the splits on the last lap, and the fact that it was soaking and dark by the time the cars got round the slowing down lap

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Okay then prove the evidence that it rained more on the last lap. What are you a Sao Paulo meterologist? I understand the Toyota's were both slow and I understand how that supports your position right now but that's not conclusive to me.

As for bribes in F1? Are you kidding me? There are so many many reasons why team or individuals could accept bribes on F1, and I should hope you would know that. It could be money, it could be engineering, it could information on other teams... who knows but there is fuel for bribes all over F1. It's probably happened a bunch of times and I'm not saying it happened here, it's just the framework for it to exist is there in my eyes. I'll reserve my judgement until I see something conclusive but I highly expect something to be said on Ferrari's behalf... you know how they are.

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

Why don't you put your bias aside and see that Glock's team mate was just as slow.

As for Kubica, he shouldn't have been involved at that time. If the SC had come out then the race probably would have finished behind it meaning that it would have made no difference, or lapped cars would be allowed to pass and join the back of the snake.

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Let me be clear, I'm not saying this has happened. I'm not saying it didn't happen either... we trully have to wait and see. It's all speculation at this point.

A half-lap before Massa began the last lap I started seeing the guys who had changed to the inters start to slip and slide under accelleration. It was that close that the grip really started to go. Knowing full well Glock was on dry tires, as Massa was approaching the chequred I was screaming to get some idea where Timo Glock was on track and how fast he was going. To be honest I was wondering if I'd see a wrecked Toyota on the side as the cameras followed Hamilton around on the final lap. To me, seeing Glock (getting passed) in the last corner was amazing but not entirely suprising.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

UFO's. What about the UFO's!!

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i have seen a ufo

but why on the last lap when they had run about 4 laps after the rain at a higher speed

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

oh, hell.

can't someone just win and someone just lose the championship around here?

there's been enough of this rot all year.

if you're not aware enough to see that both toyotas were on slicks (and i even predicted to my GP buddies, when everyone pitted, that toyota or bmw were most likely to stay out), then don't bother commenting.

it rained hard at one end of the circuit. he had no grip. his lap time on the last lap was comparable to his team mate's, also on dry tyres.

sometimes, it happens that way.

he did well to finish sixth because, if you examine it, he lost a further six or seven seconds on the straight sprint from there to the flag, so almost half the slower lap time you're talking about happened after hamilton overtook him.

if you want an inquiry, you could also ask what the lapped BMW was doing joining the fight for fifth between hamilton and vettel, but that wouldn't suit the argument, would it?

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1. Glock and Trulli did a good job to even stay on the wet track on dries, better known as slicks. Anybody who has been caught in rain on slicks knows it is akin to driving on black ice on regular tires, something every Cdn. should and had better understand.
All you have to do is remember the carnage in previous races when sudden showers caught everyone out or when someone went to slicks too soon.

2. How in the world would McLaren communicate with Toyota and Toyota with Glock in the course of, to be generous 2 laps, without the whole world knowing. Until Vettel passed Hamilton it didn't matter. Team radios are monitored and pit boards watched.

3. 1 point in the constuctors championship is worth millions.

Please think about it before we have anymore nonsense.

I was fighting as hard as I could, says Glock
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ne-motorsports

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Many people will be praised for helping Lewis Hamilton become formula one champion but prior to yesterday, few would have imagined Timo Glock being among that group. The Toyota driver, however, has probably become the second most popular racing driver in Britain following his slip on the final corner of the final lap at Interlagos which allowed Hamilton to overtake him and, in turn, take the title.

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"It was raining quite badly and it was just impossible on the last lap," said Glock. "I was fighting as hard as I could but it was so difficult to just keep the car on the track and I lost positions right at the end of the lap.

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