Questionable Non-Penalties?

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

But you can't say anything unless you have hard facts!!! :eek: Even if it's your opinion you still need to back it up to show that it is infact your own opinion :p :

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I posted the facts and provided a source that has been used on here quite a few times.

So, what is the opinion?

if Hamilton ignored blue flags he rightly should have been punished.

however, i didn't notice any blue flags during the race, neither did the stewards, the race driector or apparently Toyota, as Trulli doesn't mention Blue flags, nor did Toyota complain to the stewards you'd assume, seeing as no investigatuion was brought forward.

the only coment about blue flags was Glock, who was unlikely to see them either seeing as he wasn't in Trulli's or Hamiltons car.

i'm sure Trulli lost a little time behind Hamilton, but if no flags were waved and no message was sent to tell him to move over why would he?

generally the burden of proof ought to be with the accuser, so those making the accusations please provide this proof, if it exists i will gladly condemn Hamilton for being an ignorant ass for ignoring the flags and the FIA for being too incompetent to mete out an easy penalty.

this isn't about other complaints, its not about moving in braking zones or late moves. each incident should be subject to its own investigation, and several on here have agreed Hamilton has done some pretty silly things this year, but perhaps not everything he's been accused of ids perhaps fair - seems to me to be a case of throw enough mud and some of it is sure to stick.

this event is a non-entity without some documentary evidence of blue flags, something that ought to be easily found (by the teams and the FIA, if not by anyone here) if it exists.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

:confused:

I posted the facts and provided a source that has been used on here quite a few times.

So, what is the opinion?

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Not directed at you Mr On :) More a regular posting Ferrari fan who always requests facts but who I have never seen provide a link himself and asked for links when I said something was my own view :D

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Originally Posted by ioan

As funny as how people are making up excuses like maybe he wasn't shown any blue flags and other things like that. :rotflmao:

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Any evidence* yet to back up the allegations in this thread?

* http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

Not directed at you Mr On :) More a regular posting Ferrari fan who always requests facts but who I have never seen provide a link himself and asked for links when I said something was my own view :D

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Sorry Mr Yeo. My bad!

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Any evidence* yet to back up the allegations in this thread?

* http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence

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I believe evidence can be made up of the 3 undisputable elements.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasy

Along with a pair of these.

http://img.radio.cz/pictures/zabava/ruzove_brylex.jpg

Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't have an IQ test for forum members or at least a ban for those that can't prove to be at least 10 years old?! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't have an IQ test for forum members or at least a ban for those that can't prove to be at least 10 years old?! :rolleyes:

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Come on, it was light hearted. No need for attacking peoples intelligence or age ;)

Really ioan, if you nail your flag to something that is unsubstantiated and is then proved to be false, you should really just fess up and accept you were mistaken.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't have an IQ test for forum members or at least a ban for those that can't prove to be at least 10 years old?! :rolleyes:

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Lead the way then, where's your proof to be over ten? Stop with the sarcastic comments and take a long look in the mirror.

I didn't see the race so haven't actually seen the incident but assume that the stewards have a reason for not issuing a penalty (they seem penalty happy at the minute so must be something valid behind it). The only thing I can think of is that blue flags/lights/movies weren't shown and Lewis didn't know he was being tailed. If there was a flag then he should have let Jarno pass, no doubt about it.

This is only my assumption but without a statement from the stewards we can really only go on what we assume to have happened. Afterall the people who think Lewis was out of order seem to only be going on the assumption that he was shown a flag but for some reason the FIA chose not to punish him. Two sides to the story, neither is the right one at the minute, only what we take from it :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't have an IQ test for forum members or at least a ban for those that can't prove to be at least 10 years old?! :rolleyes:

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If you actually take the time to read this thread you will see everyone agrees, that if Hamilton failed to yield to a set of blue flags he should have been penalised.

No one disputes that, however simply don't know if he was shown blue flags.