Ford to pull out of WRC?

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Originally Posted by mdesign

In that case, where would the money came from? A WRC without the manufactures would not attract any investment at all. WRC takes money to organise you know... i can't see that as awsome

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You know.. when there is a depression in economy, then it is actually good thing for the economy, because it makes the so called redistribution faster. When you have workers to do some work and they are maybe your friends as well then it is really hard to tell them that "you are fired." Somehow you still can make it and keep their salary. But it is economically very noneffective. When you have to make a decision "do I keep my income and fire 20 workers and try to do all things more effectively?" You don't need to think twice.

I think that WRC need complete shakeup at the moment. We need to get rid of the current top manufacturers like Ford and Citroen's. It is really hard to change the current rules because each of those two teams have something like hundred workers and thirty WRC cars that will be almost as cheap as group N cars when they are not allowed to use any more. When they are "eliminated" from the sport, then it will be much cheaper and easier for new manufacturers to join. Also privateers and private team with variable sponsors are more interested in it, because then the competition will be more fierce (all teams with lower budget and therefore with more equal level) and therefore marketing possibilities much easier.

Currently you get quite huge sum of money from couple of manufacturers during the season to run WRC. But how easily you can sell such an "interesting" action like we saw in Spain? You dont need to answer.

If we have more teams and they pay less money as a registration fee but we have good show (lets say 5,6,7 drivers are fighting for the win) then we can earn this missing money from marketing. And it is much easier to attract good marketing gurus. I know why it is so hard to find global promoter. If I am marketing guru then I cannot find the way how to make it interesting to show one genius winning it all 5 years in a row.. and to make it attractive for audience:-)

When still such kind of genius has developed (like Loeb) then there is a solution. When WRC is much cheaper then it is much easier to find second(Ogier), third(Hänninen), fourth(Aava) and fifth(Meeke) same kind of genius and to make them fight for the win.
I am scientist in everyday life and sometimes like statistics. So, when there are 10 drivers each year who can afford it to join WRC then the possibility to find another genius is 10 times smaller compared to the situation when 100 drivers can afford to join wrc every year.
What I want to say is that Loeb is not the only genius out there.. probably.. If more people can afford to join wrc then maybe we can find more such kind of geniuses. Better try to find another geniuses than try to make the current ones life harder.

Get the point?

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Originally Posted by bluuford

You know.. when there is a depression in economy, then it is actually good thing for the economy, because it makes the so called redistribution faster. When you have workers to do some work and they are maybe your friends as well then it is really hard to tell them that "you are fired." Somehow you still can make it and keep their salary. But it is economically very noneffective. When you have to make a decision "do I keep my income and fire 20 workers and try to do all things more effectively?" You don't need to think twice.

I think that WRC need complete shakeup at the moment. We need to get rid of the current top manufacturers like Ford and Citroen's. It is really hard to change the current rules because each of those two teams have something like hundred workers and thirty WRC cars that will be almost as cheap as group N cars when they are not allowed to use any more. When they are "eliminated" from the sport, then it will be much cheaper and easier for new manufacturers to join. Also privateers and private team with variable sponsors are more interested in it, because then the competition will be more fierce (all teams with lower budget and therefore with more equal level) and therefore marketing possibilities much easier.

Currently you get quite huge sum of money from couple of manufacturers during the season to run WRC. But how easily you can sell such an "interesting" action like we saw in Spain? You dont need to answer.

If we have more teams and they pay less money as a registration fee but we have good show (lets say 5,6,7 drivers are fighting for the win) then we can earn this missing money from marketing. And it is much easier to attract good marketing gurus. I know why it is so hard to find global promoter. If I am marketing guru then I cannot find the way how to make it interesting to show one genius winning it all 5 years in a row.. and to make it attractive for audience:-)

When still such kind of genius has developed (like Loeb) then there is a solution. When WRC is much cheaper then it is much easier to find second(Ogier), third(Hänninen), fourth(Aava) and fifth(Meeke) same kind of genius and to make them fight for the win.
I am scientist in everyday life and sometimes like statistics. So, when there are 10 drivers each year who can afford it to join WRC then the possibility to find another genius is 10 times smaller compared to the situation when 100 drivers can afford to join wrc every year.
What I want to say is that Loeb is not the only genius out there.. probably.. If more people can afford to join wrc then maybe we can find more such kind of geniuses. Better try to find another geniuses than try to make the current ones life harder.

Get the point?

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You don't seem to get how the WRC works at all.........

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Originally Posted by Daniel

You don't seem to get how the WRC works at all.........

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And neither do the people who 'run' it..........he he!!

Actually I think I know it and I just tried to simplify my thoughts.. and I think that the current way how the full WRC system works is way too complicated. So, I just gave my basic idea and what is wrong from the roots (Ok admit that I didn't talk about technical regulations). I have read all the rules and regulations like you and I like to see my favorite sport more popular like you.. probably.

It's amazing how incompetent the FIA is.

The WRC cars need more power over grip, if they want spectacle. Not cars farting around on a go kart track in a stadium.

I can't wait for the day when Subaru and Suzuki are winning events and everyone complains because Ford and Citroen aren't there to show them what real speed is.

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Originally Posted by bluuford

I am scientist in everyday life and sometimes like statistics. So, when there are 10 drivers each year who can afford it to join WRC then the possibility to find another genius is 10 times smaller compared to the situation when 100 drivers can afford to join wrc every year.

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Huh? Are you familiar with term "equal distribution"? If the good drivers were equally distributed amongst the 10 or the 100 drivers in all, then your claim would be true. But since better drivers are naturally at the forefront, the distribution is not equal but concentrated (more likely you'll find the better drivers at the front than at random position), hence probability change is not linear.

Add to this that the scoop with which teams can pick up new recruits is very limited, it doesn't matter if there is one or a hundred new stars born annually as only very few can proceed to the works seats.

Practical science. Compare this to a fish pond, if you got only one fishing rod and handful of fish fodder, the number of the fish in the pond doesn't very much affect your chances of catching a fish. You throw in the fodder, fish come and you reel in one. How many are left uncatched is academic.

To my mind I need cars I can understand, not that I don't get how the idea of going fast between point A and point B is working right now, but bear with me on this:

From a spectator point of view I need:

- An engine producing the right amount of noise for me to exactly know when the driver is accelerating hard or shifting gears. Which the silent WRC don't really do.

- A suspension showing me when the car is braking and accelerating and even when the car is fighting against lateral forces. I know it means going backwards in technology but nowadays cars are as flat as pancakes.

- Tires, control or whichever you want to call them, which cannot deal with the power produced by the engine, whether it is 300 Hp or 500 I don't mind as long I get to see the cars giving a great show.


And all together means we really get to appreciate the skills the drivers have which, frankly, it is impossible nowadays. When you see on board shots it seems they are on a Sunday drive, which of course is far from true, but they don't fight the steering wheel, they don't move their hands to change gears and slightly move their right arm to handbrake.

If you want a good TV show all that should help.


And back to topic, Ford have been threatening for so long that I have the feeling they are only waiting for an excuse to leave, not that they need one or better said they don't have plenty, given the current situation, but it hardly causes any alarm right now does it?

That'll never happen Donney! Far too sensible an idea.

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Originally Posted by Donney

To my mind I need cars I can understand, not that I don't get how the idea of going fast between point A and point B is working right now, but bear with me on this:

From a spectator point of view I need:

- An engine producing the right amount of noise for me to exactly know when the driver is accelerating hard or shifting gears. Which the silent WRC don't really do.

- A suspension showing me when the car is braking and accelerating and even when the car is fighting against lateral forces. I know it means going backwards in technology but nowadays cars are as flat as pancakes.

- Tires, control or whichever you want to call them, which cannot deal with the power produced by the engine, whether it is 300 Hp or 500 I don't mind as long I get to see the cars giving a great show.


And all together means we really get to appreciate the skills the drivers have which, frankly, it is impossible nowadays. When you see on board shots it seems they are on a Sunday drive, which of course is far from true, but they don't fight the steering wheel, they don't move their hands to change gears and slightly move their right arm to handbrake.

If you want a good TV show all that should help.


And back to topic, Ford have been threatening for so long that I have the feeling they are only waiting for an excuse to leave, not that they need one or better said they don't have plenty, given the current situation, but it hardly causes any alarm right now does it?

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Good post, but it won't happen. And more's the pity - but as you say - it's a 'backwards' step - and the Manufacturers won't like that.