Best touring car drivers ever?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Peter Brock won Bathurst 9 times (10 if you include a 24 hour race in a car so hideously cheating it wasn't funny), and took a couple of Commodores to Spa in 1986.

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Yes, but the Spa episode — indeed, that whole ETCC campaign — isn't the proudest entry on his CV.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Giovanardi... is there anything he hasn't won?
3 Italian championships, a Spanish title, 3 WTCCs, and now back to back winner of the BTCC.

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It wasn't WTCC it was the ESTC and ETCC he won (same series of course but different stature).

Dieter Quester
Gerry Marshall
Roberto Ravaglia
Steve Soper
Peter Brock
Mark Skaife
Andy Priaulx

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Peter Brock won Bathurst 9 times (10 if you include a 24 hour race in a car so hideously cheating it wasn't funny),

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Whilst the Monaro was far superior to the opposition, its unfair to say it was cheating, the car well and truly met the rules for Nations Cup Group One.

For me, without any shadow of a doubt Alain Menu is the greatest driver in touring car history to have sat behind the wheel, and I feel privaliged to say that I was around to watch him race in the BTCC.

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Originally Posted by racer69

Whilst the Monaro was far superior to the opposition, its unfair to say it was cheating, the car well and truly met the rules for Nations Cup Group One.

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Because the rules were changed to allow it in. Nations Cup started out as a GT3 defined series, however the Monaro 427 didn't meet this as there was only one road car and none actually produced by Holden themselves. At best it could have been defined as a GT1 car, however that would have still required that three road-going examples be produced which Garry Rogers Motorsport did not do.
In the end PROCAR needed a flagship selling point for the event, and under the same "Nations Cup" regs which brought that in, also saw the Mosler entered which itself never saw homologation as a GT3 car.

At the same time, I was in a group that was told that the Ford Mondeo which we had intended to bring over from New Zealand was inelligible because there wasn't a showroom equivalent in Australia at the time (the Mondeo was dropped in 2001).

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Yes, but the Spa episode — indeed, that whole ETCC campaign — isn't the proudest entry on his CV.

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As for Commodores in Europe. From what I've read recently, the implosion which went on between Brock, the HDT and Holden, meant that the cars which raced in 1986 and subsequently John Harvey's campaign in 1987 was nothing short of remarkable.

Rickard Rydell
Jason Plato
John Cleland
Laurent Aiello
Will Hoy
Andy Rouse
Colin Turkington
Frank Biela
Anthony Reid
Gabriele Tarquini
James Thompson
and the late gerry marny(think thats how you spell it)

Yvan Muller
Fabrizio Giovanardi
Andy Priaulx
Larry Perkins
Gerry Marshall
John Cleland
Andy Rouse
Jason Plato
Alain Menu

Yvan Muller
Fabrizio Giovanardi
Andy Priaulx
John Cleland
Andy Rouse
Jason Plato
Alain Menu
James Thompson

Win Percy has to be at number one, don't forget his three BTCC titles!!! as well as Spa and Bathurst.
Steve Soper
Frank Gardner
Roberto Ravaglia
Gerry Marshall
Jim Clark
Andy Rouse
Peter Brock

I have watched all of the above and Tarquini and Gioare on the edge of the list as well.

agp

Bernd Schneider
Andy Priaulx
Joachim Winkelhock
Steve Soper
Masanori Sekiya
Masahiro Hasemi
Kazuyoshi Hoshino
Nobuhide Tachi
Charles Kwan
Gabriele Tarquini
Alain Menu