Was Lewis passing Heikki legal?

lets not forget monaco last year HOW lewis checked the $###s
arfter not being allowed to pass alonso.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

I love to see the McLAren fans swinging and flip flopping one way and the other too as long as it is convenient for you. All your moralistic and ethical threads about how important it is for a driver to pass his own team mate out of pure sportmanship and fairness went strait into the garbage can. I have no idea how you can actually sit down at your computer and seroiusly write your hypocritical comments TOTALLY forgetting that just a couple of years ago you were just stating the opposite. I am frankly appaled. I have shown my ability, in one of my most recent threads - Ferrrai's stupidity- to call things for what they are. If Ferrrari does something stupid, I have no problem in critizing it. It they cheated I am the first denouncing my team and their wrong doing. Here, except for a couple of guys, I see a fanatical defence of the silver (only recently) bullets about their stealing, their bending of the rules (including Heikki and his refueling issue). Is it so hard for you guys TO HAVE A A STANDARD AND STICK TO IT? As far as your crediblity goes, you really loosing lots of it.
PS Here you find what RD said about it. It's just incredible the nerve he has. http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...21102741.shtml

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I think you are confusing dates (I am thinking Austria 02) and the situation where Rubens was ordered to let SchM past to win when he did so at the last corner, and when SchM then gave the trophy to Rubens.

The two situations are totally different.

This time Kovi did not ultimately lose a single position at all.

I don't want to keep dredging up old rants which, as I have explained in ioan's thread, serves no useful purpose than to create a feel bad atmosphere in this forum.

I couldn't care less if the cars were silver or Red. Had Kimi, in a slower car, been asked to pull over in similar circumstances for Massa at Silverstone, I could live with it also. But if Kimi had been told to pull over in the last lap to let Massa past to win, then we would have a totally different situation and I am willing to bet the forum would light up with abuse from 98% of the members.

I hope this clarifies things for you. I can't make it clearer than that if yrstillhere.

How does this incident have anything to do with team orders? How in the world can stupid fanboys think this is an example of illegal team orders by McLaren? (ooo wait, cuz they are stupid fanboys.) Hamiliton catches Heikki, Heikki sportingly lets him by, knowing he doesn't have comparable speed, then Hamilton proceeds to drive off into the distance, overtake the next 2 cars, and win the race. I am really not seeing the problem.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I think you are confusing dates (I am thinking Austria 02) and the situation where Rubens was ordered to let SchM past to win when he did so at the last corner, and when SchM then gave the trophy to Rubens.

The two situations are totally different.

This time Kovi did not ultimately lose a single position at all.

I don't want to keep dredging up old rants which, as I have explained in ioan's thread, serves no useful purpose than to create a feel bad atmosphere in this forum.

I couldn't care less if the cars were silver or Red. Had Kimi, in a slower car, been asked to pull over in similar circumstances for Massa at Silverstone, I could live with it also. But if Kimi had been told to pull over in the last lap to let Massa past to win, then we would have a totally different situation and I am willing to bet the forum would light up with abuse from 98% of the members.

I hope this clarifies things for you. I can't make it clearer than that if yrstillhere.

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Unfortunately the rules are not as detailed as your descrition is. They don't specifically mention exactely what lap the team order can be given or in what circumstance, if it's sunny or rainy. They simply state that team orders have no room in F1. Period. Clear and simple for everybody to follow.There is no free interpretation for obvious reason. What about we let the team mate slow down on the penultime lap? Is it ok too? Please call it for what it is: McLAren fans don't care how McLaren win, as long as they win. Obviously if anybody else were to do the same they should be punished, banned, whatever. And no, you did not made clearer for me since what you are stating only works for you. Let me make it clear for you: you need to have a standard and stick to it.

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Originally Posted by e2mtt

Hamiliton catches Heikki, Heikki sportingly lets him by, knowing he doesn't have comparable speed, then Hamilton proceeds to drive off into the distance, overtake the next 2 cars, and win the race. I am really not seeing the problem.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

They simply state that team orders have no room in F1. Period.

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That's is not what the rules state concerning team orders, semicolon!!

Get your facts straight before you launch another rant, please!! :rolleyes:

I'll state what I said when the FIA introduced their so called rule against team orders. It is none of their business how a team conducts their race. I know they put a rule in place but it is a bunch of hogwash.
There have been team orders since there have been teams. Neubauer would have told the FIA where to go in a hurry.
There will continue to be team orders, they just have to disguise them. All teams have and will use them if they feel there is a good reason to do so. Note ALL.
Now the drivers do not always pay attention but they usually are looking for a new team by the next season.

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Originally Posted by e2mtt

How does this incident have anything to do with team orders? How in the world can stupid fanboys think this is an example of illegal team orders by McLaren? (ooo wait, cuz they are stupid fanboys.) Hamiliton catches Heikki, Heikki sportingly lets him by, knowing he doesn't have comparable speed, then Hamilton proceeds to drive off into the distance, overtake the next 2 cars, and win the race. I am really not seeing the problem.

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Excellent post!

Since some of the fanboys here seem to have proof that McLaren used team orders, wonder why they don't forward that information to the FIA? And since Heikki was apparently so fast... wonder why he didn't come in 2nd? :rolleyes:

Perhaps because he came in to pitstop too often. ;)

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Originally Posted by e2mtt

How does this incident have anything to do with team orders? How in the world can stupid fanboys think this is an example of illegal team orders by McLaren? (ooo wait, cuz they are stupid fanboys.) Hamiliton catches Heikki, Heikki sportingly lets him by, knowing he doesn't have comparable speed, then Hamilton proceeds to drive off into the distance, overtake the next 2 cars, and win the race. I am really not seeing the problem.

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Couldn't agree more.

If anyone here is so ignorant of why the team orders rule was brought in, then no amount of reasoning will ever change their mind.

Hekki had no answer for Lewis on Sunday just as Massa and Jnr didn't.

He would have held up his team mate, compromising Lewis's race
In doing so, he would have slowed himself down compromising his race
There was a chance of a team mate crash if they battled the position

He made a judgement call and you have to say, it was the right one. Had Hekki followed Lewis, taken Massa and Jnr finishing in 2nd, then there would be NO WAY he should have let him past but there was no chance of that.