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As far as I can tell, this special "Nitrogen/Co2" cocktail is standard composition of our atmosphere:Quote:
Originally Posted by trumperZ06
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Compressors are fitted with standard filters that take moisture out the air, anyway. So it seems to me that the composition of the air in a tyre is way over hyped. What do they do that's so special to the air?
Let's see how many of those who were complaining that Kimi was allowed to go around with a flapping exhaust pipe (all in the name of safety) are now advocating the removal of tire warmers creating thus the possibility of having 20 unpredictable cars on the track, running at speeds over 300kph!
Hypocrites! :rolleyes:
Depends on the concentration of each gas! You agree that the atmosphere doesn't contain 50% N and 50% CO2, at least not yet?!Quote:
Originally Posted by gravity
And you shouldn't forget that it also contains 21% O2!
So it seems to me that you were way out of order suggesting that they use "standard composition of our atmosphere". :p :
Easy answer--have the FIA take over completely--BAN Tire pressure guages completely from being in possession of the teams....let the FIA pump a standard mixture into everyone's tires, eliminate soft and hard compounds ( when everyone is running the same tires, why hard and soft......oh well)
And while they are at it, put the standard tire on a standard rim, on a standard wheel, and then dole them out at random to be used at random by the teams.....and make one standard compound to be used all year at all tracks....and make all wings standard, so at each race you receive the wings all made and preset by the FIA......and no more pit crew advantage, they are employees of the FIA, chosen at random for each race and given their assignment to which team after the race starts...and the same for engines, one manufacturere for all, with each race engine to be handed out right before the race at random from the FIA........and no more individual team sponsors, all will be paying thier money to FIA, with every team getting an equal share, and decals will be assigned at random to each car......and the worse the team does, the more more money to that team will be given as "race winnings"
and FINALLY, yes, FINALLY to make the playing field completely level for all competitors, all tracks wil be re-built to make them perfectly flat with no more than one inch change in elevation per 500 meters
and to ensure no more advantage to anyone...to keep it fair and square.......all have to drink ole uncle markabilly's special brew of kool aid.....so while the field may be level, those who are properly kooled, will never notice :beer:
The difference is that it a degree of skill to control a car on cold tires, similar to TC. Its more of bringing back driver skill into F1, IMO. More onus on the driver to create his own luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Whereas a flapping, exposed, upright exhaust which suddenly snaps and flies into the air and then...... well, it's divine intervention, IMHO.
Motorsport is dangerous but IMHO drivers should take more of the risks not track personnel and spectators.
And a car that goes of at high speed is more of a danger for everyone than an exhaust pipe the size (and weight) of a 1/2 liter empty beer can.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Not sure what the debate here is about. Debris from a race car at speed is dangerous without question. Several deaths at champ car races and IRL races have resulted from debris hitting spectators but usually as the result of accidents between cars. In 1999, three died at an IRL race, and at some time else, three more died at the Michigan track.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
At Indy, a wheel came off and was hit by another race car, and sent into the grandstands, killing one spectator.
During JV's first year in F1, when he was challenging Hill at Japan GP, he had a wheel come off and go into the specator area. A small change, and the
wheel could have caused death and serious injury to spectators.
Okay, so it was not a wheel, but that changes nothing. I remember one year when a mirror came off an Indy car at Indy (I think Stephan Johnson was involved) and another car ran over it, burst a tire and (maybe) wrecked
If the pipe had come loose at the right time and place, it could easily have resulted in a serious injuries to a driver (if he ran over it and lost control, or a tire burst), to track workers and spectators if it flew off at the right moment into a crowd or other stuff flying off from an accident resulting from another car hitting it.
Otherwise if it so safe, they just need to leave debris laying around on the the track for everyone to run over and not be bothering with safety cars and such.
The only reason to not make the team remove or fix it would be if the fia thought that while loose, they were absolutely certain it was not going to come off, PERIOD. The question should not be whether it was likely to come off and cause serious injury.
Well, we all know that it did come off......................and the situation with Kimi when at Mac, with the tire bouncing all over from the trie problem, is no different
The only absolute determinative factor for tire warmers and mandates on air pressure should be safety with adequate precautions and rules in place. And I do not know whether those questions have been adequately answered and the rules developed as of yet.
After all, it is low tire pressure and cold tires resulting in the car bottoming that is alleged to have caused Senna's death. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.
The difference (one of many) is that at the start of the race, it would be the same for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Other series seem to manage 'sans' warmers, why not F1?
I never posted the above quote! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
You should learn to quote properly. :rolleyes: