Driving style evolution

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Originally Posted by tfp

Very interesting topic.
YouTube - ‪WRC - Colin McRae - Scandinavian Flick & Handbrake Lessons‬‏
Here, Colin Mcrae explains how in modern rally cars the scandanavian flick isn't really neccessary anymore.

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By modern cars Colin probably meant WRC cars which rules allows tilting the engine backwards and putting all heavier stuff between the axles closer to the centre of gravity to minimize the hammer effect.

This was explained by another article in Vauhdin Maailma some years ago. Putting the centre of a lets say a 10m long ladder on your shoulders and putting in both ends 10 kg loads and then turning around. Next moving the loads closer to your self you can notice that the turning is much easier.

It’s kind of opposite to torque where the force x radius makes the torque but in this case the force is in the centre and the smaller the radius is, less force is needed to turn the load on the circumference.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

i think a video would be more useful here since in the first pic you only capture a moment which is not accurate and for example this momentet could be at the start of the opposite lock or an adjustment withing the corner in which the wheel point straight....

However you (or the article) is right since it is also evident to the eye that the more you turn the wheel the bigger the speed loss.

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I think it can been seen on this video especially at about 5:50 when he’s going little bit wide. Great moment for Markko.

YouTube - ‪Markko Märtin Winner Finland 2003‬‏

YouTube - ‪Richard Burns onboard Peugeot 206 - Finland‬‏
RICHARD BUNS. In this video i'm sure you'll see the absolutely neat driving(dont forget 206 was a difficult car to drive-not the most convinient for neat driving).The right video for rally schools.

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

(dont forget 206 was a difficult car to drive-not the most convinient for neat driving)

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From where did you get that? First time I hear that it should have been difficult to drive.

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Originally Posted by Tomi

From where did you get that? First time I hear that it should have been difficult to drive.

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From the very short wheelbase ,from the fact that only Marcus manage to drive it really fast(i dont refer to asphalt rallies).Richard who was top driver he was never able to find the limits of the car.I have also read from magazines that it wasnt the most easy car to drive compare to other cars like subaru or ford.

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

From the very short wheelbase ,from the fact that only Marcus manage to drive it really fast(i dont refer to asphalt rallies).

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There is big differences between Drivers and "drivers" but seriously I have never heard anyone who has been driving with the 206 complaine that it should be difficult to drive rather the opposite.

I think results worldwide show that the 206 was one of the most user-friendly cars to drive....2nd after the toyota corrola.

Drivers that have drive scooby/focus/206 their choice was the 206.
Wheelbase is not the point to see if a car is better/faster than another one,specially at wrc level.Of course is something to look, but not only that.
307 was much more difficult for works drivers, than the shorter 206.

I heard all of the subaru drivers complained that they struggled to keep up with the peugoets 'cos the pugs diddnt have that pendulum of a boot sticking out of the back of their cars.

Finnish people!
What does "perkola" mean? I think that is how it's spelled....
I watched this video before, Mr Makinen wasn't very clear of his answer...!

P.s, I post in here 'cos its not really worth starting a thread over :p :