I know, right? And Crapple is still more expensive! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
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I know, right? And Crapple is still more expensive! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I guess I'm out of touch with all these doors or cores as they are now known, thrown into the equation. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I know you only see one side of the fence, but I see both. I think there is valid reason they get away with charging what they do, even though in theory the products are inferior. I've been building my own PCs for many years and have seen how theory is often trumped by reality, or in many cases by the interface making slower performance still more desirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
The Crappletastic 8 will sell well IMO, regardless of what it is.
Teach me master! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
See, that's the thing! They don't anymore. ;) And there is no valid reason. :p They don't even have quite the same monopoly or market share anymore either. The consumer is waking up.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/14/te...-apple-android
And because of that, Apple are forced to change their business model or at least introduce new products to stay in the game:
Cheap iPhone release date, news and rumours | News | TechRadar
That's a rather bold statement IMO, not based on recent stats I assume. Anyway, that remains to be seen. A few more debacles like Apple "Maps" :laugh: and continued patronizing of customers, and they will start feeling the heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Oh god I knew a little bit of banter couldn't stay that way without becoming a dig at some point.
Considering how positive the reception has been so far for iOS 7, I don't think Apple are in any danger of losing out. Its a bit of a double edged sword with the sales thing because Android is an OS covering many manufacturers so will undoubtedly outsell Apple due to its outreach. A huge chunk of the Android market is in lower end handsets too, which at this point in time Apple do not contribute to. There are plans to introduce a budget iPhone but that is more due to demand than desperation on Apple's part. We are entering an age now where manufacturers are starting to listen to consumers more and introduce demands. Much like Microsoft with the latest X Box for example. Android sold way more than any other in 2012 but that was to be expected for reasons stated above. Apple released a new handset and OS at the end of 2012 and Android shared itself across multiple releases. Its one manufacturer with its own OS against a market of many manufacturers sharing Googles OS. This makes it even more confusing when you consider Apple made more profit from its mobile sector in 2012 than any other manufacturer. Many put this down to phone manufacturers making less profit on devices like the Nexus and so many companies sharing a piece of the pie in their chosen market. Samsung were rumoured to be looking into departing from Android and going it alone to attempt to truly conquer the market with its own totally in house product. Whether this will happen remains to be seen, I doubt it will.
Both Samsung's and Apple's stock has fallen in the last 6 months. Apple experienced this first and many took delight in the apparent downfall, whereas not so many weeks later Apple's biggest rival experienced it too with poorer than expected sales of their latest release. It happens and companies this popular usually recover and have. I know it was revealed recently that although more Android devices were sold in the UK, iOS devices are accountable for the largest share of mobile web traffic here. This obviously takes into account iPads are still very much the tablet of choice here too. My second cousin is a tech analyst for the BBC and often appears on Business breakfast giving his views and recently mentioned that a fair chunk of Android phones are owned by senior people looking for a cheap handset and never really use them to their full potential, i.e constantly connected to 3G etc.
On to yet again the point about hardware pricing and to be honest I thought this had been put to bed. A friend of mine bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 some weeks ago and paid out more for the handset and contract than I paid for my iPhone on launch. Now if Apple were so greedy with their pricing, why are they no longer the most expensive? Sure you could say if you don't like it buy something else. I think this comes down to choice of OS. If you want iOS then there is only one option and if you are not prepared to pay for it, then its too bad. With other platforms there is a larger scale of products to choose from. You can buy an Android phone for 40 quid and contribute to their sales, but if you want a flagship model you have to be prepared to pay 400 quid plus which brings it up to Apple's pricing. I don't think there is much in it now and Apple have proven year after year that they keep their pricing consistent with the previous release. I know the Captain was predicting the iPhone 5 would suddenly be a hundred quid more expensive on launch but the reality was they charged the same amount as the iPhone 4 and 4S. The Samsung Galaxy S3 and S4 here have not been quite so consistent here with previous releases however. Having played with the S4 I have to say its an impressive piece of kit and Android is a lot better than if was when I used it daily. Obviously with Android it demands more powerful hardware which is why models boast quad core snapdragon with so much ram which all sounds very impressive and no doubt is to those interested. I know the benchmark testing has shown the S4 to more than live up to expectation even if many were disappointed it was too different to the S3. Having tested the S4 first hand I have to say its physical experience that counts rather than impressive pie charts. My friends S4 was slower than my iPhone on certain tasks. Opening an email, opening Chrome, Youtube, loading a webpage on the browser were all marginally slower on the S4. Why is this? Not that it really matters in day to day life to me but to some people it obviously does. I don't pretend to understand all the in's and out's of software and can only really comment from what I have seen and experienced. Maybe others have an explanation?
Although much of what I have said above is in defence of Apple's situation, I'm not trying to play them off against each other because I've always said they serve different sectors of the market anyway. I don't agree Apple is trying to dominate the market because they haven't attempted to cover all the bases the likes of Android and WP8 have. They are still a popular consumer and business brand and the likes of many are looking forward to IOS 7 and the hardware offerings later in the year. They both co exist and are dominate amongst their own customer base. I know people who have moved from iOS to Android and vice versa but it will always come down to personal taste. I'm happy on iOS for now and watch with interest what they all offer because I've never been brand loyal. If someone offers something better IMO I will jump ship and try it out. I find liking a company too much or hating a company just for the sake of it just limits your own options in the future. :)
*essay alert - I think I need another extended break from this topic after that! :p )
Apple was never a brand you would associate with producing goods for the 'budget' market. It clearly demonstrates [for me at least] that the overinflated prices charged by Apple is now the reason for this shift.
Once they start making affordable products, the high end stuff will be hard to justify IMO.
It seems you lot can dish it out, but have problems taking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
As for the rest of it, sorry henners, didn't read, too long. I know you put a lot of effort into it, but after the first few lines I had this strange feeling of deja vu, and I'm in a big hurry for work.
Anyway, major changes to iOS and rumors of a cheaper iPhone have come for a reason. I thought this might be a good read - iPhone sales projections are now so low it
Yep, we all do! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Fair enough, I won't open your link at fear of wasting any more of my valuable time. It appears you are the victim of your opening line too. Others can't take it but you couldn't be bothered to read my post because presumably you couldn't take it either lol? At least I go on my break with a smile on my face. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
They need to produce a fair amount of low end stuff for it make any impact on its higher end products. Other companies seem to manage to produce both and demand higher prices. Why would you buy a Ford Mondeo when you can get a Fiesta for considerably less? Every product offers a different experience and no doubt the £350 iPhone will be lacking in features compared to the high end device. Your not just going to be paying a premium for a bit of aluminium on the back and sides when you could get the same experience with a polycarbonate model. These things have to be justified and Apple are not stupid enough to undercut their flagship model. Samsung haven't provided consumers with the same hardware at both ends of their range because that makes little sense too. They have though increased the prices of their flagship phones which bring them in line with the brand you suggest is 'over inflated'. People have no issues there though because they consider one better than the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I knew Apple were not going to be silly with their pricing:
Cheap iPhone won't actually be that cheap, says purported manufacturer | News | TechRadar
:)