[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

Please read again Hanninen's press release, and tell me, is there any word about Qatar M-Sport's second seat?

Since some rumours last week suggested pg and juho in mini, maybe its pg and nikkara?

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Originally Posted by Ezhik

Please read again Hanninen's press release, and tell me, is there any word about Qatar M-Sport's second seat?

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Good point.

Steve

If it is true, I so happy for Juho :) Go Juho! Wish only wins :)

Is it possible to have for example 4 or 5 drivers in one team?

The plot thickens!!

No news on Nikara, but there must be something going in the backgroud.

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Originally Posted by liposh

Is it possible to have for example 4 or 5 drivers in one team?

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You could have you 1 and 2 drivers, and maybe share the 3rd car. Similar to Citroen when Loeb comes back for a few events next year.
But if Hanninen has got the 2nd seat, then i hope Solberg gets something half tidy
Steve

What is the possibility that Hyundai has Hanninen on a conditional contract ? He has to prove to Hyundai that he can drive a current spec WRC rally car on WRC events before they ink a full drive contract for driving the Hyundai WRC later in the year ?

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Originally Posted by Ezhik

Please read again Hanninen's press release, and tell me, is there any word about Qatar M-Sport's second seat?

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In fact the title dose.

Steve

I am happy to see how many fans of Hänninen are here :) He deserves it :)

All I hope for is that his fiesta has the same pace as the works cars. As I feel how ever good he is if its a private spec car it won't be on the same pace

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Originally Posted by gtimad73

All I hope for is that his fiesta has the same pace as the works cars. As I feel how ever good he is if its a private spec car it won't be on the same pace

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What works cars?

I mean the top spec msport car. I know there not a works team any more

Ford is no title sponsor, but there is stil a lot of Ford logo's on Mads Ostbergs Qatar t-shirt. so they are still involved?

Think they are providing technical support but thats as far as it goes.

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Originally Posted by gtimad73

All I hope for is that his fiesta has the same pace as the works cars. As I feel how ever good he is if its a private spec car it won't be on the same pace

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m2 fiesta wrc is almost exactly the same , same engine same drivetrain same reigers, just a few lighter panels but all cars are on minimum weight so doesnt really make a difference , yes i work at said team , it more about size of engineers balls with how much fuel they take !!! and time the drivers get in the hot seat

this is also proved by mads , tanak s novikovs stage times this year

also fiesta m2 is alot closer to fiests works cars than citroen m2 cars to citroen works FACT ask evgeny / petter ie in finland and gb only 2 citroen works cars had dampers with the roll valve and reserviors on the body instead of old on a pipe from top of damper

but i forgot you guys are all m sport haters

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Originally Posted by adr17

also fiesta m2 is alot closer to fiests works cars than citroen m2 cars to citroen works FACT

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also m2 citroens are way more reliable than m2 fiestas to reach the finish without falling apart FACT

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

also m2 citroens are way more reliable than m2 fiestas to reach the finish without falling apart FACT

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Depends on how much are you willing to invest.. you get what you pay for. You can always pay 30-50 % more and rent a Citroen

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

also m2 citroens are way more reliable than m2 fiestas to reach the finish without falling apart FACT

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Blinded by the FACT that you don't know what you are talking about ;-)

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Originally Posted by adr17

only 2 citroen works cars had dampers with the roll valve and reserviors on the body instead of old on a pipe from top of damper

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that was because they had just 2 sets,and that they decide to use them some days before rally.At next rallies we saw also ''private'' ds3s with new position for canisters. ;)

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Originally Posted by Padowa

Blinded by the FACT that you don't know what you are talking about ;-)

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I dont need to "know" anything since there are statistics

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Originally Posted by dimviii

that was because they had just 2 sets,and that they decide to use them some days before rally.At next rallies we saw also ''private'' ds3s with new position for canisters. ;)

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For Finland, ok... But Wales was 1,5 month later. ;)
Anyway it's not the first time I hear someone saying the difference between Factory/M2 at Citroën is bigger than at Ford. Let's hope the differences become smaller from time to time in stead of bigger. :)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

that was because they had just 2 sets,and that they decide to use them some days before rally.At next rallies we saw also ''private'' ds3s with new position for canisters. ;)

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im not trying to say m sport is better than citroen because obviously it is not , however i think it is better than you guys give it credit for

oh and on all private cars at next rallies after finland , thats funny because this is a picture of a "private" ds3 on sardinia with the old spec ;) must have been photoshopped

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

I dont need to "know" anything since there are statistics

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Statistics say: "Get back on my ignore-list, your posts are wasting my time." :D

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Originally Posted by adr17

m2 fiesta wrc is almost exactly the same , same engine same drivetrain same reigers, just a few lighter panels but all cars are on minimum weight so doesnt really make a difference , yes i work at said team , it more about size of engineers balls with how much fuel they take !!! and time the drivers get in the hot seat

this is also proved by mads , tanak s novikovs stage times this year

also fiesta m2 is alot closer to fiests works cars than citroen m2 cars to citroen works FACT ask evgeny / petter ie in finland and gb only 2 citroen works cars had dampers with the roll valve and reserviors on the body instead of old on a pipe from top of damper

but i forgot you guys are all m sport haters

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im not a msport hater or hater of any one else. I just know that if you don't have a works car(Or msport works spec). you cant run the same pace as other works cars. petter proved that with the citroen. all im saying is I hope he got the same spec as mads/? or you cant really compare like for like.

Has anyone heard if Juho will do anything after Sweden in the WRC? Maybe he is doing a Sandell next year and only doing 2 events in the WRC

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Has anyone heard if Juho will do anything after Sweden in the WRC? Maybe he is doing a Sandell next year and only doing 2 events in the WRC

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He said they are trying to secure more rallies, but it's up to many things as you well know and these two starts are only what they have now secured. Solid results would help, and I believe and hope we'll see him more this year than just Monte, Sweden and (maybe) Finland. It took him, I don't know, months of hard work to get this deal together, so please be more patient than just for two days before asking for more.

Sandell btw, any news about sweden wrc project? And sandell next year?

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Originally Posted by gtimad73

All I hope for is that his fiesta has the same pace as the works cars. As I feel how ever good he is if its a private spec car it won't be on the same pace

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The link i posted on the privious page would suggest, he has the 2nd works M-Sport seat. If you read the title to the link.

Steve

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Originally Posted by adr17

im not trying to say m sport is better than citroen because obviously it is not , however i think it is better than you guys give it credit for

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personally didnt say something different.Msport can win championships if they had better strategy-tactics-management.

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Originally Posted by adr17

oh and on all private cars at next rallies after finland , thats funny because this is a picture of a "private" ds3 on sardinia with the old spec ;) must have been photoshopped

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didn t said at ALL private cars.i am not 1005 sure but think i saw photos of Neuvilles ds3 with new system.But thats not the case because even with ''old'' suspension were faster too.

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Originally Posted by adr17

m2 fiesta wrc is almost exactly the same , same engine same drivetrain same reigers, just a few lighter panels but all cars are on minimum weight so doesnt really make a difference , yes i work at said team , it more about size of engineers balls with how much fuel they take !!! and time the drivers get in the hot seat

this is also proved by mads , tanak s novikovs stage times this year

also fiesta m2 is alot closer to fiests works cars than citroen m2 cars to citroen works FACT ask evgeny / petter ie in finland and gb only 2 citroen works cars had dampers with the roll valve and reserviors on the body instead of old on a pipe from top of damper

but i forgot you guys are all m sport haters

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I dont want to question what you say but i think warmbolds blog affected me(maybe not only me) and turned me a little bit suspicious about what cars are given to private drivers by msport

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

I dont want to question what you say but i think warmbolds blog affected me(maybe not only me) and turned me a little bit suspicious about what cars are given to private drivers by msport

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Yes, a lot of people are biased about everything that has something to do with M-Sport. I believe everything on Anthony Warmbold is blog is true, but remember that those stories from M-Sport are 7-10 years old... ;)

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Yes, a lot of people are biased about everything that has something to do with M-Sport. I believe everything on Anthony Warmbold is blog is true, but remember that those stories from M-Sport are 7-10 years old... ;)

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exactly !!!

also that is just one side of the story there are 2 sides to ever story and when your bitter about things the mind can twist things

not saying this happened

i wasnt at m sport at these times so cant comment but it is always funny when you here drivers saying about the engine not hitting the limiter on the straight when others do and when you normally look at the data you normally find that the exit speed at the corner before is a great deal lower than said works drivers

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exactly !!!

also that is just one side of the story there are 2 sides to ever story and when your bitter about things the mind can twist things

not saying this happened

i wasnt at m sport at these times so cant comment but it is always funny when you here drivers saying about the engine not hitting the limiter on the straight when others do and when you normally look at the data you normally find that the exit speed at the corner before is a great deal lower than said works drivers

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Yeah I'd say there's a lot of that with drivers that believe there own hype, Warmbold wouldn't drive a nail in to the bog with a saucepan let alone a wrc car!

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Originally Posted by adr17

exactly !!!

also that is just one side of the story there are 2 sides to ever story and when your bitter about things the mind can twist things

not saying this happened

i wasnt at m sport at these times so cant comment but it is always funny when you here drivers saying about the engine not hitting the limiter on the straight when others do and when you normally look at the data you normally find that the exit speed at the corner before is a great deal lower than said works drivers

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Corner exit speed is the first lesson about being quick. There's indeed lots of drivers out there who forgot that part.

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

He said they are trying to secure more rallies, but it's up to many things as you well know and these two starts are only what they have now secured. Solid results would help, and I believe and hope we'll see him more this year than just Monte, Sweden and (maybe) Finland. It took him, I don't know, months of hard work to get this deal together, so please be more patient than just for two days before asking for more.

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The good thing is that I believe Monte and Sweden are two good events for Juho to showcase his talents, providing he can get up to speed with the car in time.

Who is paying for this do you know?

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Yes, a lot of people are biased about everything that has something to do with M-Sport. I believe everything on Anthony Warmbold is blog is true, but remember that those stories from M-Sport are 7-10 years old... ;)

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But M-Sport is still the same ;)

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Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold

Corner exit speed is the first lesson about being quick. There's indeed lots of drivers out there who forgot that part.

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Althought i have read the bolg i dont remember the chapter about the corner exit speed,can you tell me which chapter is so to refresh my memery.THANKS!!

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Originally Posted by RS

The good thing is that I believe Monte and Sweden are two good events for Juho to showcase his talents, providing he can get up to speed with the car in time.

Who is paying for this do you know?

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I don't know anything more than you know. New sponsors or new pr pictures has not been published as far as I know. We'll know eventually.

You are also right how Monte and Sweden are good rallies for him. I'm still bummed about Monte 2011 (and 2009), but Juho definitely likes the event. As for Sweden, it must come from the spine for him as he hasn't contested on snow since Sweden 2008, but then he was 8th overall in N4 Lancer. It shouldn't be a problem I believe - perhaps a warm-up at Arctic Rally would help... :-)