Does anyone think Østberg, Novikov, Tanak or Neuville will chrash less than Petter going at the same speed or is it okay for Wilson and the sponsors (Quatar) to "go slow" and collect 5th and 6th places after Citroen and VW??
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Does anyone think Østberg, Novikov, Tanak or Neuville will chrash less than Petter going at the same speed or is it okay for Wilson and the sponsors (Quatar) to "go slow" and collect 5th and 6th places after Citroen and VW??
I can`t really understand why I`m bothering with this....But, mediocre driver??? Mads Østberg??? If I should rate your post, it would be s strong candidate for a "Joke of the Year"-award!Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
I will however not bother to discuss your arguments, it will just be useless...
one thing ill say is. im a Very Big Fun of Petter. but his age and his time on wrc and he still gets beaten by new comers and young drivers. this means he don't have any more room to learn. that is what he has got. and he is not a winner.. someone like Novikov. he is young and can learn. so if it was me i would have gone for Novikov. i love petter but that is the reality..
Colin Clark said: Talk this morning is that Tanak has budget for 9 WRC events next year with limited support from M-Sport. Anyone know anymore?
WTF? Qatar bankrupt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
So Qatar are willing to pay for Neuville, but Solberg has to bring money himself? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Maybe Neuville brings money himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
MSport is not a charity and Qatar will be putting a fixed amount of money in to promote their country, so the shortfall has to be made up by sponsors/money brought by drivers.
Unfortunately Petter has not done himself any favours last season, far too many needless accidents, leading to damage that someone has to pay for
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Yes, I was about to say the same, because the money from Qatar should mean MW can support nonpaying drivers. At least two of them, and Petter should be the second. I´m sure Mads didn´t have to bring money this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Sorry guys if this question sound stupid, I am not very familiar with sponsorhips/contracts things. But in Peter Solberg twitter, was he saying that he has to pay 2-3 millions for the 2nd spot in Qatar M-Sport team? or what exactly.
It is sad for me seeing some WRC drivers struggle to get the money, and alot of teams and manufacturers are withdrawing from WRC (I wished Mini stayed as a manufacturer). I wish if they can make the money like those greedy F1 teams!!
Mads Ostberg has a future and great potential. Regarding his huge progress this year, especially on asphalt he could become one of the very top drivers. Petter had a great carreer, great achievements, and he's still fast. But from now on I think his prestations can only decline. It's good that M-Sport is looking forward in stead of wanting to have "a big name" in the team, Ostberg, Novikov and Tanak are the guys they will have to rely on in 2-3-... years, if they want to win events.
We cannot speculate that Qatar is funding enough money for M-Sport to give one let alone two drivers a car and the drivers NOT paying M-Sport for the seat! Does anyone know how much M-Sport got from Qatar? No! So we can't say someone is being greedy or not
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LOL!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I´m not sure if I misunderstand something here. What´s so funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Mads clearly said the other day he won´t pay for driving next year.
And if he did it´s even more peculiar that M-sport can´t fund drivers line up with sponsormoney from Qatar. Or does all the money only pay for the setup of the team? Or in the pocket of MW?
Hard to say which direction M Sport should take, o.k. you have two young and up coming talents in Ostberg and Novikov. Very quick young guys but would they qualify as team leaders? Its one thing running as a private entry trying to get good results where there isn't really any pressure but to score points for what is a works team i'm afraid it could lead to a lot more bent bodyshells.
He won't pay... That does not mean that he doesn't take any other sponsors (that he already had this year) to the team. ;)
How do You know MW could run the second official car without those money? We speak about 3 million Euro which is not any pocket money which can be easily replaced by other/in-house funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
By the way point/start ratio in 2012 says quite a lot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Iskald
Ostberg 13,56
JML 12,83
Solberg 9,54
Again we´re talking about a sponsorship deal with Qatar which has blown up in media as the replacement for Ford-money. That would be enough. If it´s pocket money from Qatar, then we´ll know what´s gonna happen with M-sport. On their way out from WRC...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I think one is beginning to see that is happening, I´m afraid to say...
How do You know that some article in the media about how much Qatar gives M-Sport is true?
WRC is really sick dog when top drivers have to pay for drive. :D
No all the winners from 2012 have a paid drive! (and some winners from 2011 and IRC and Sordo). All those who didn't are fighting over the scraps ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Yeah but 2 or 3 million for 13 long weekends?! :D
Mads "won" Portugal. He dose not have a paid drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
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A paid drive is one where the driver is paid to driveQuote:
Originally Posted by nr7wave
A paying drive is one where the driver pays the team - Now in all this Petter confusion I may have lost sight of the facts - If Mads isn't being paid to drive how much is he paying M-Sport (which is something I thought he was saying that he was not going to do this year)?
i really dont think that Mads is payed from Msport.I think that he has to pay to drive(sponsors).Just think that Jari and Mikko last year(with Ford backing) were payed some hundrets thousants only.
Malcolm is at wrc to earn.This is his main concern.Try to understant it.Said it plenty of times.
He dont care if he win championships.Just to be present at wrc to rent sell some 50 cars per year 500.000 each.
Tired to hear moaning about no budget.
Really is there anybody that believes that Qatar sponsored Msport for 2013 for ie 1or 2 millions when Nasser just for his entries must pay some 2-3 millions?
A lot of income doensn't automatically mean high profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I think what "the Østbergs" said was that they where not prepered to pay up more from their own pockets (as in topping up Mads's sponsor budget with "hard earned and taxed real money").Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Whats in the deal only Wilson and Østberg knows (Morten Østberg that is).. Could be something like "you drive for free but bring sponsors for 1 mill euro to pay for hospitality, vages and travel, by doing so you also get an 10% discount on parts to the Adapta team"
mads have open spaces for his own sponsors on the car, so he hardly get any salary. but i dont think he pays to drive eighter, qatar does that.
yes if the goods you sell-rent are with some 5-10% profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
You remember that Ford M sport is a Private Team!!! They will run with with Qatar's money.. And Petter for me is still a big drivers but is too dangerous and in this time is much expansive broken always the car..Quote:
Originally Posted by "
Yes but then it also depends on how the cost price is built up and how much fixed costs the company has.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Oh wait this is a forum about rallying. :s mokin:
Anyone know what Abu Dhabi are paying Citroen next year? Considering the WRC has a new promoter for the new season and both teams are being sponsored by very affluent countries rather than by companies 3 million pounds doesn't sound like a lot of money, pocket change really. Just for the record does anyone know how much red bull have put into Citroen year on year and how much they put into F1 year on year? With VW around next year viewing figures are going to go significantly up meaning more exposure, more revenue for countries such as Abu Dhabi and Qatar - 3 million sounds like a very small investment.
Mads shouldn't have to be paying for all of that. Isn't that what Qatar are providing sponsorship for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
The conclusion after your say is that M-sport funding quite a lot of money from Qatar? Am I right on that? pocket money would not even be mentioned like the deal with Qatar was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToughMac
If so, then the discussion above means MW should have the money enough to keep two top driver in the team, not having to pay for their driving. Of course the drivers bargain from sponsors but I think that is for their personal benefit only, meaning if necessary MW doesn´t have to pay but not also need to have money for his two top drivers.
Yes it is indeed :D . But I also think M-Sport is doing more business than pursuit of the championship crowns. This is not bad thing of course, but the reinvestment seems not to be at the proper level I think. Always complaining for lack of funding... I'm also got sick of that. We should be grateful on the other hand probably Ford has been around for so many years, otherwise we could watch "real" one man show with Mr. Loeb and Citroen. Hopefully with Qatar's money that will change though and we see some progress in championship fights, at least for Ostberg's sake, he is promising driver imho. Now will be even more difficult with VW entering the show though...Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
In one of the recent issues of Vauhdin Maailma there was a number that Abu Dhabi will pay about half of the budget. The deal of course generates also some costs. Based on my personal assumptions without any inside info I'd say Citroen's budget could be somewhere near 50M a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToughMac
Citroën budget is a bit over 100m as far i concern. Atleast a couple of yrs ago.
Redbull use near 1/2 billion onF1 :)
In the series ”Engineering the World Rally” (part 6) by Discovery Channel, they said that the Prodrive’s budget for season 2006 was 50 million Euros. The costs have of course increased from those days.
Just wondering if there are two different budgets. The budget for manufacturer teams like Citroen and VW which don’t have to make any profit and the budget for teams run by private companies, budget – profit = true budget.