by being 2 minutes slower than lappi?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
its very weird to see how someone like loeb with all those years of experience just ruined his tyres in 18km of stage.
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by being 2 minutes slower than lappi?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
its very weird to see how someone like loeb with all those years of experience just ruined his tyres in 18km of stage.
when was the last time that defending champ started the year with a zero points?
i guess we have to go really back before Loeb era?
Marcus Grönholm 2001 maybe? Or even 2003 perhapsQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
26. 01. 2020 13:18 CET 16 Power stage times: Neuville 9:39.076, Ogier 9:39.092
And this already after the first stage of the morning!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I mean, after his mistake where he lost his position to Lappi, he started securing the points. Only Suninen was behind him of the manu nominated cars. (Rovanperä was already the third best Toyota). And the worst he could do was to ruin the tyres so bad he would retire (remember, only five tyres).Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
with a nice fast spot https://youtu.be/3i9nFKDEr0w
Well, he said it himself. So something to think over, talking about Loebs pace today Sunday...there were reasons I should say.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Congrats to the winners, really great fight!
Very interesting dynamic as Neville showed incredible times in the beginning and got a pretty big lead, but then quickly lost the lead the next day and regained it at the end of the rally. At the end his driving looked most confident with clean lines, not much hesitation I guess fact that this is his familiar car played a role on his win but yeah he deserved it. Also I wonder if Tanak crashing out gave him confidence boost as everybody was expecting them to be fighting.
Tanak's crash was I think the scariest thing I ever saw on wrclive. Other two moments that I remember were Neuville's roll last year and Rovanpera's carsh over some tents. I am glad that they seem to be ok and they were really lucky. Also the strength of the wrc cars is incredible, reminds of video games. Also someone in prediction thread said that Tanak will be more crash prone this year, I hope not...
Evans is the man. Really great performance. I was expecting something from him, but he exceeded the expectations. His pace was equal to 6 times world champ, both in new cars. Really makes me wonder about next rounds.
Little bit strange that Ogier did win Monte in his first time in Citroen, but not with Toyota, but maybe the circumstances were different.
I'd say Loeb drove as expected, wonder why people are surprised.
Some good stages by Rovanpera. It is really interesting what we'll see from him in following events. Shows potential from the very beginning unlike Tiedemand or Greesmith.
Also happy for Lappi I hope this result will make him a more happy Lappi.
I think Suninen must hate this event:]
Katsuta not impressive, but seems like he could improve. He wasn't slowest all the time.
Overall, really exciting beginning.
There were actually 3 compressions/ bumps at that fast s-curve, the first was little far from 2 and 3 though. To me it looked like resonance effect, each compression just amplified the effect of the next one. It was just the speed that entered that bad sequence. They were passengers indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
He did until yesterday, but what he did today was unexpected from Le MaestroQuote:
Originally Posted by flykas
He didn't do as expected yesterday either:Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/599...lo-2020/?leg=3
Especially those 1.8s/km (38s) lost on SS10 were unexpected. Thursday and Friday were as expected yes.
Two offs per rally is also rather unlike him.
you know that maybe i am the biggest Loeb fan at this forum,but that will not stop me to say that at Saturday he was a shadow of himself too.Mistakes at this pace are unacceptable from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/599...lo-2020/?leg=3
Neuville at Adamo hug
https://twitter.com/thierryneuville/...53180225118208
Did they put used tyres on by mistake this morning?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Either that, or the geometry of the car is very strange.
Could have been something wrong with the wheel alignment, very strange for one tire to be like that when the road wasn't even fully dry
Key point here....the reliability of the Yaris, and a focal point for Fowler. All four cars without problems. If Toyota has made progress in this area (and I think they have), Seb will be Champion. The car has pace as always. I am bummed, but a great start really. Fabulous driver by Thierry.
Neuville no lift at all,even not touching the brake pedal.
https://twitter.com/Ryan_Champion/st...36596018450434
It's not the first time they have strange tirewear issues. Similar was in Turkey last year on second passes and before that on Sardinia, with Neuville going off the road due to that as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
So I'd go with strange setup/geometry.
from live stream we saw totally dry asphalt and that not only for few km.Super softs,and only 5 instead of 6 harder compound tyres for other competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
i dont see something strange in this photo,just totally wrong tyre choice
Loeb's tyres were shot by the end of SS13.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
He was running 4 x SS6. Most other crew were running 3 x SS6 + 1 x S6.
Other crews had no problems.
I think he has run out of allocation of SS6 (24 tyres) and taken a 'best of' used tyre in a risky tyre gamble.
Either that or team have screwed up.
Is Gwyndaf driving?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
And only about 7min of that first stage was dry, if it was just the tires shouldn't all of them have been like that after the stage just not one of them...? Looks like it's had too much air if you look at the middle, did Elena grab a smoke before the stage and forgot to lower the air pressure... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
Loeb had today morning 5 super softs,while all the others had 3 super softs + 3 softs.
the problem for Loeb was that he had to used these tyres for all 4 stages,while the others could rotate with softs
except that running a car with 3 softs and 1 ss doesnt slide so much,its much more grippier,so you protect better that 1 super soft you have on the car.
how you know that the other tyres are ok? wehavent seen any photos from other tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
7km are not few kms at dry for super soft.
When a tyre overheating this drives to inreases air pressure,so maybe this we see at the photo is not due to starting with high air pressure,but the result of overheated tyre.
if tyres are looking like that after just one stage, something is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
even with the wrong tyres, loeb should know how not to destroy them.
Mighty impressive from Neuville today....but honestly I think the top 5 can all be pretty satisfied with the result.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I'm pretty sure you wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Nearly all ran 3xSS6 + 1xS6 on SS13.
To sum up I think this was Neuville's best performance to date, calm, collected, knew when to push and didn't overstep his limits. Once Tänak was out I think he both gained & lost lo of pressure, and he delivered faultlessly, I mean, honestly if you would have told me even 3 years ago that Neuville would win here I'd thought you would be bluffing, yet here we are in 2020 and he's won his first Monte. We are talking about the same person who's retired on his 3 first tries (if anyone here remembers back in 2012 when his DS3 was on fire)....very impressive start for Thierry here & a huge boost for his confidence and a win putting himself 30 points ahead of Tänak. Tänak rarely makes mistake these days (I checked and this was his first DNF since Australia 2018) so it's a good thing all of his rivals took off with a lot of points from this event as Tänak will be hunting them as soon as Sweden (a rally he has won last year). I guess it will take him time to fine tune his Hyundai to his liking but once he'll do that he'll be tough to match imho.
As for the man who came in second, Sebastien Ogier, I think this signifies the end of an era; you might claim that we were already past the Sebastien era after Tanak taking his title last year, but now I truly believe his reign is over, as it will be very tough for him to take his crown back. Even his Monte crown was taken from him and for the first time since 2013, there was someone faster than the Frenchman and for the first time since 2010 (or 2006, depends how you count it) a Frenchman hasn't won here. Besides that, I'm guessing that Evans won't let him past that 'easy' next time the Welshman challenges for a win.
For sure Evans has put himself right up there among Neuviile, Tänak & Ogier, he seemed to adapt to his car very quickly and hopefully will be again on the pace in Sweden. I'll admit I never saw the spark in him while others did, but this weekend he's changed my mind and I think that with good nurture he can become the next world champion, if it happens this year or next depends on him & Ogier (& Makkinen) IMHO.
As for the rest, I think Lappi managed to do a really good job considering it's a new car also for him, and the problems the M-Sport team have encountered on Thursday night, and he's been rewarded with his best Monte finish (was very close to finishing 4th in 2018 if you may recall until he went off on the last stage demoting himself to 7th).
Rovanperä was truly impressive, finishing 5th on his World Rally Car debut, was a real baptism of fire for the 19 year old and I'm sure that by the time we'll be getting to the last third of the season he'll finish on the podium once, hopefully I'm not over-optimistic.
Loeb, I really think it's time for him to retire, even before the incident with the tire this morning, there are other drivers outside the service park that should be in at least considered for that seat.
After this I really hope Sweden will go as planned, bring on the rest of 2020!
+15sec in Spain Leg2 to NeuvilleQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
+4sec Leg3 to Tanak
Germany +46 to Tanak without penalty
Corsica +1.18 to Neuville
And complaining a lot about understeer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think you are way too early. After Wales 2017 british jurnos were putting him into title fight for 2018 straight away. With C. Clark saying "he will fight for title no matter what car he drives next year"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
then at end of 2018 most people wondered whether Malcom will kick him for the last time after he had epically bad season while Ogier won the title in same car.
In my eyes this was Evan's best drive up to date, I'd even rate it above Corsica last year since that was a pure dry rally.
Doesn't automatically make him WDC candidate though.
True but that's why I said 'this year or maybe next year', and he just seemed really confident this event and seemed to be adjusted really well to the Yaris WRC, and if it's anything to judge by he looks like he's at the sharp end. Anyhow, we'll be more clever after Mexico and even cleverer after Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I think believing you or a guy who has done rallying himself (Dimvii) I tend to believe a person with experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
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Evans has quite clearly upped his game.
Amazing driving by the top three.
Hoping they all have seasons as good as this rally and hoping the very lucky Estonian can quickly jump back in at the sharp end too.
Exactly, drivers are allowed to improve. Pre-2017 not many people would have backed Tanak to be WC material, but in 2017 he started to show that he had more than just speed in his locker, and after that he has been sensational.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
So let’s give Evans the chance to show us, he has a top car, great opportunity and he’s made a good start.
I have a feeling that Evans was pulled back by Ogier/Mäkinen himself . Same story as in M-Sport...
We all know how good Ogier is rolling over teammates with his titles. Last three+ years is only confirm that.