This video is a really good indicator, that Citroen has some issues on their setup. Maybe its suspension, maybe aero.
https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/v...5323020274973/
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This video is a really good indicator, that Citroen has some issues on their setup. Maybe its suspension, maybe aero.
https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/v...5323020274973/
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Originally Posted by dimviii
Ye, it's even on the Highlights on youtube :)
https://youtu.be/qUCYBrPg7fw?t=50s
Monte - crash in 3rd stage, nothing to do with setup, just driving too fast on ice, after that mediocre results with only single 3rd placeQuote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Sweden - diff issue when he was in 5th place
Mexico - only manufacturer without problems, road position advantage, still crashed in last corner with huge lead and only massive luck made him win
Corsica - leading half-way yes, +1
Argentina - crash from 2nd with road position advantage, then second crash next day
Clearly the worst record from all the n1 drivers in all 4 teams.
Look at Latvala (never thought I would write something like that), he used to be very much the same. Now going only as fast as is safe and still getting good results, pushing when he's in control (Sweden).
Similarly huge development from Neuville in last 2 rallies. Starting "ok" on Friday then stepping up the pace on saturday and sunday.
Why can't he learn from them? It's not like the rally gets won by not lifting in the first jump of the rally (Argentina SS2), it's only lost there.
Why do you care what he does? You have an obvious vendetta. Your giving him zero room for any fundamental issues with the car, which are obvious to everyone but you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Is Breen's pace is where is car is really at?
Meeke wasn't in Argentina last year, and the last time he done that stage was in the fog 2 years ago, where stage time was maybe 2 mins slower.
Why dont you give Paddon the same treatment? His record is far worse year, and no pace, and was the 'next coming' this time last year, and Neville was on the ropes.
At least Meeke has pace, and pace to win any rally on the calendar. You can only say that about Ogier and Neville.
Think Meeke's development phase is gone already. What we get from him now is what we will continue to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
For some reason Paddon has nowhere near the amount of people excusing his mistakes and when he crashes neither him nor his fans start blaming the car first.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Attached are the screens from WRC+ onboard over that spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Meeke left, Neuville right.
From bottom up:
1. Crest before bump:
Meeke 175kph, starting to brake, Neuville 138 kph, just stopped braking
2. Last frame before bump
Meeke 158 kph and on brakes, Neuville 155 kph and on throttle
3. Both in air, Meeke lifts nose a bit higher, but not very big difference. (the speed indicators are pointless in the air as they show how much the wheels spin)
=> The cars behaved pretty much the same, Meeke was on brakes with more weight on front which causes the extra lift.
Every car had more or less same issue there. Too fast on the first run, even those who braked had unnecessary hard jump. You can see from wrc+ onboards second run everyone braked hard there.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Why we see so much of these bump and compression related issues this year? Cars go faster than drivers can expect when they make the notes? To maximize aero these new generation cars run closer to the ground what they have used to. What was easy flat in the past seems to be hard hit to the under guard.
I don't know where Meeke found this Dakar buggies style going flat over every bump. Or maybe old cars could cope better. Not like he was the most consistent before...
OK ColumboQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So you saying its not speed related? So Meeke wasnt going to fast. Thats that sorted.
Why did both C3's break the gearbox at the same place on the SS3, and others didnt. The chassis is too low, and the dampers are crashing straight through.
He team mate is winning rallys, and his pace is gone south. I wouldnt be complaining about the car either.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Originally Posted by mknight
Breaking down his season so far (for the record)...Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Monte - Crash. Would have continued if not for spectator fatality.
Sweden - 7th, power steering failure. Best stage placings 2nd & 3rd but did take a while to get his head back into it after Monte.
Mexico - 5th, engine (and other) problems. Was 3rd before engine problems.
Corsica - 6th (still not top pace on tarmac, but probably closer than last year).
Argentina - 6th. Weird slow-motion roll in the middle of the road lost 2.5 minutes on friday, broken ARB saturday, power steering failure sunday. Won a couple of stages.
Guess you can blame the car for a fair bit of it then if you want to ;) and its not as bad as some suggest, hopefully his luck improves for the rest of the season though. I think we'll see more of the expected speed and results again before too long.
the problem with Paddon Meeke and all the other underperforming drivers is that there is a proven reliable fast ex-manufacturer driver without a car and a swap seems to be a no-brainer.
Is this the one who tipped the car over in his 'guest' test drive?
Everyone keeps talking about Mikkelsen like he is a golden boy or sth. He has been behind the wheel of a non-Polo only once and of the three ex-VW crews only Latvala with a lot of testing (remember the milage he did before the end of the year in the Yaris) has managed to be constantly fast or as fast as the car can go. Ogier is still struggling and that's after inseason tests and five rallies. In reality Mikkelsen might be slower than Breen at the moment, unless going pedal to the metal.
Mikkelsen even said by himself that if he could get a Polo, he'd be fast out of the box, but on other cars he'd need to test a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
On SS2 Meeke and Neuville jumped very much the same... cause they had same speed yes. (small difference is due to braking, ref. picture) Which clearly was a bit too fast since the jump was close to crashing, which is why the drivers (who made it that far) went slower in second round. So yes he was going too fast, just as Neuville and quite many others. (Bertelli had huge moment there)Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Breen broke gearbox in SS4, Meeke's gearbox was perfectly fine even after the roll. Again Neuville and a few others jumped very much the same with small difference due to line/braking etc. Neuville was extremely lucky not to roll just as Meeke did there. Check WRC+ (it's free now anyway).
Hopefully there's no fundamental issue on the C3 and they've just missed to successfully adapt it to Argentina terrain, like they did previously in MC and Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Btw, this amateur video shows other views of the jump and other nice spots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnx3M-8KdMM
So you keep saying. However, different cars. Different aero, different suspension settings, different ride height etc = different handling characteristics. Like comparing chalk and cheese. Or a pair of identical twins and expecting them to 'perform' exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I think Citroens biggest mistake re Meeke, is when Matton said at the beginning of the season (and again last weekend) that their aim this year is to win rallies and not focus on championships until next year.
This basically has given Kris the green light to go flat out everywhere, everywhen.
While they have won a rally, and no doubt will win again, it also means Kris will throw it at the scenery a few times this year.
I don't know why a more measured approach was adopted for this year. They are the only manufacturer that took a year out to develop the car for this year (I am not including Toyota as they didn't have a yard stick to measure against with an older car) so should really have had one eye on a title this year.
If that is the aim next year then we might see a more measured performance from Meeke, rather than the win it or bin it mentality we are seeing so far this year.
That does come across as a little arrogant. Are you suggesting the starting order made little difference on the Friday, or that Meeke and the C3 were underperforming. Either way the two front runners most of Friday had favourable starting positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Meeke: 'World class' Evans Argentina tyre advantage talk unfair
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129295
New-boy wrc2017, this is a forum and provoking people to give their views (on Meeke) was my obvious intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
It worked perfectly - thank you all, very interesting.
No, I'm disappointed, not arrogant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
If You read my previous posts, You'll understand what I was meaning. Continuing discussion in wrong direction with twisted words is pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Can we really believe that when a manufacturer says they aren't aiming for the title this year? Which manufacturer has come out saying they aim to win it this year? Has any? Surely it's all PR bullsh*t...Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Neuville fined with 1000 euro because his Hyundai was missing rear view mirrors
http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-con...cision-no2.pdf
Underweight windows in Sardinia last year, missing rear view mirrors in Argentina this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It says he was missing them OUT of service and Nanda says that they forgot to put them on cause they had little time. Perfectly fine with a fine then.
I tend not to agree with You. There are clearly given time penalties for being late from service. The rules state in which state the car has to leave the service. Therefore by this action Hyundai most likely avoided time penalty for Neuville and therefore took a clear advantage in the fight for later victory (maybe not intentionally, who knows). The decision can be seen as a dangerous precedent. Will other teams also leave service with unfinished cars to save themselves from time penalties? I hope not.
yeah, Hyundai are far from fair play, aren't they (Given the Paddon delayed start on Saturday also).
Could you please elaborate? What happened and who benefits/gets a disadvantage off that?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
It's already discussed in this thread, search and find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
edit: Given there is not official statement from the team about this, I think there is nothing more to say about it.
Charming.
Mirek, I agree with you. Haven't there been severe penalties in the past for minor 'indiscretions' in respect of car compliance ( i.e ... A rock in the spare wheel well, under weight/over thin windscreens) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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Originally Posted by stefanvv
Paddon was delayed trying to fix a broken ARB, stefanvv is delusional and thinks it was a conspiracy to change his road position by one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Even if they did it in purpose it would be legal (he was penalized for that) and definitely not the first time such thing happened.
In the case with Neuville, but also in Sardinia last year, I'm wondering why the penalties for such things are not fixed. Shouldn't there be some published list of possible violations and penalties associated with it? The FIA doesn't seem to be always correct/consequent with penalties.
Another point is that a car without mirrors is not road-legal, i.e. it is similar violation as driving on three wheels on public roads. It may be harsh but IMO car which is not legal shall not be allowed to leave service park.
This is also interesting:
http://www.rallyargentina.com/wp-con...cision-no3.pdf
Ah ok then. No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
I don't like how more and more such cases is being solved by a fine. It looks like they simply collect money. In the past crews were disqualified for outdated gloves etc. while these two cases were for sure more serious incidents both in safety and sporting point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21