The WRC logo is instantly recognizable, Quite simple but it paints an image of flowing corners on stages. Can anyone tell me what year the logo was first used ?
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The WRC logo is instantly recognizable, Quite simple but it paints an image of flowing corners on stages. Can anyone tell me what year the logo was first used ?
1999!!!
Check out today's MotorsportMonday.com (Rally News page) for a list of proposed changes to WRC rules for next year.
It seems there is no agreed proposal for the PowerStage shoot-out. Running order on Days 1 and 2 however is to be in championship position order.
seems as no major changes for the sport for next year (a part from PS shoot out) and no talk what so ever on 2017 regulations...Quote:
Originally Posted by semsem
The people who need to know the possible new regs know it. To be honest fans have got absolutely no use for that info 2,5 years in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
But new regs are planned to be revealed in December's WMSC, not in September's one! So it's nothing strange or worrying with it...
I think all the new proposals are to the right direction ,nevertheless the running order is a bit unfair,of course it will make the whole thing more interesting for us but as i said i think its unfair.this proposal will make ogier really furious.i am looking forward for his comments if the proposals will be implemented,and we all know how good he is in making comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by semsem
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Originally Posted by nafpaktos
I dont like the running order proposals, if they want to have a fake championship to tighten things why not be honest and do weight penaltys?
Are you sure? Who decides which people need to know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
And secondly, why couldn´t fans contribute if they know the direction of rules?
Do we really want a new "Loeb era"? It's going to happen if they don't let them run in championship order on day 1 and 2
If it helps at all...
There shouldn't be new "Loeb" era, now we have more manufacturers and team leaders which could possibly fight for victories.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
I think it's a modern disease where everything has to arrive immediately when you want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I'd write some argument to your case but in reality we'd be standing by the same positions in the end as now and the only thing we would achieve with exchanging arguments or questions is waste our and other's time. Like this post.
Personally I think that fans won't be able to contribute, only discuss.
All I wanted to say with the post you quoted was: Patience
Yeah, yeah, no problem. But if there´s trancparancy there is good things coming out as well. That´s my point, because I do believ most of us can contribute if they´d listen. They are not above us. They are alikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
It's up up to the other teams/ drivers to 'up' their game. Not rely on hand outs by way of favourable running order rules. Why does Motorsport have a problem with this. Does football, have things like this. If a team is too good - Tough!! Deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Spot on, fastest wins, anything else is not a proper world championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
According to WRC.com Paddon's drive in France has been given to Bouffier. So either Paddon's 7 round contract has been reduced, or he will be driving Hyundai in 2015.
time will tellQuote:
Originally Posted by RallyNZ
very well said. If You can't cope with the best, WDC is not for You, simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I would be so glad to see split times gone... I think its one of the biggest killers to be honest. Just get in the car and drive flat out! none of this damn pacing against each other...
Even if they ban incar splits, there will be someone with a huge cardboard or some other way of communicationQuote:
Originally Posted by Loose_Unit
Yes but it's still pretty much harder to do so on five places along every stage than to have them automatically in the car and it's even harder in the night, fog, rain, dust or whatever. In the IRC and ERC there are no official split times. Sometimes team use their own splits but often they do not and we've seen there a big number of surprising attacks. For example this year on Jänner rally with Kubica taking a huge gamble on the last stage (actually each of last five editions of Jänner seen a huge attack of one driver over the last stage leading to a major change on the leaderboard). Maybe it's due to the fact that this stage is always held in the dark. Few years back when Bouffier managed to make one minute on just one stage of Cyprus it was also pretty amazing. I strongly believe that with splits it would not happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
You are very wrong here. If you compare kids football with rally. Why the driver who is fastest on the frist rally should be given bigger and bigger advantage before the nex rally even starts?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Do you want to go and play football match against a bit better team but as a better team they are given one goal already? or the football pitch is tilted towards to your goal by 45 degrees all 90 minutes? or their goal is 7 times smaller than yours? Why we punish privateers and beginners? we will never get proper drivers to the sport and we can follow a few rich kids on the stages who are able to drive WRCar slower than medium driver with GrN car?
It is like in normal life that when you want to climb higher on the career ladder then every next tep is harder. Rally should be easier for the beginner and everybody should know that when you are able to lead the championship then you have to be able to drive first on the road as well! THIS IS NOT THE RULE TO TOP OGIER OR ANY OTHER FAST DRIVER!!! This is THE rule that should have been in use always.
I do not care about who is leading the championship, but I do hate when people are making such a stupid conclusions like U did (sorry, but I rarely get angry, now it is that rare occasion). Think about the reason of this rule. It is much better than any kind of weight adding or shootout. It is very clear. You want to lead championship, you have to be ready to drive frist on the road.It is equal for everyone who ever you are. And it is equal to less experienced young drivers and gives them a chanche to show some good reulsts and satisfy their sponsors? Noone wants to see 2fast drivers and then bunch of rich kids who do not care about their speed much. They just care that their car has nice color, cool sound and they can drive fast..
This year rule is quite OK, but the rule with reversed order is like corruption funded by the leader.
Do not get mad, just think about it, I do not want to start any dsicussion here, just make you think about a few simple things in rally.
Personally i'd like to see it like back in the old days, crews were seeded by:
1, If they won the event the previous year
then
2, Their anticipated performance
This whole nonsense about the world champ carries number 1 all year etc...hate it personally
Strange football analogy. In football better teams are always seeded at draws. The champions league group draw is based on the performance of the last 5 years by that club. Best 8 are group heads, next best 8 are seconds, etc. For the second round all group winners avoid eachother. Everything is aimed at getting the better teams as far into the tournament as possible.
My main problem with the running order in rally is that it is not the same during the rally. Why do only two days by championship order, why not one or three? It makes no logical sense at all and that is probably why they change the system every year. Stick to one system and use that for every day of the rally for every rally. That way people at least know what to expect beforehand.
Because Ogier must be handicapped little more to be the championship more interesting. In the end it won't make the difference, but I'm sure we'll enjoy colorfull comments from this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
Simple reason for the football analogy; it's the world biggest and most popular sport. And they keep the rules the same. The same 2,3,4 teams dominate each country's league year on year. Everybody accepts this, and gets on with it.
However, in lots of Motorsports, this is frowned upon. So we get WWE type rules to even things out to stop domination.
When a sport keeps changing it rules/ formats, it obviously has a problem; and/ or those running it are clueless.
I think the biggest problem with Rallying is its promotion - regular people just seem to not understand the sport, so the management tries to make it more popular to look like the other sports, when most of the time You have head-to-head competition. Rally is not like that really, and when some driver dominates for a long time, then the obvious conclusion is that something is wrong with the rules. Frankly I find last 2 year's rules (with QS) best fair for the running order, than everything else. So a driver has its own choice to run don the field, depending on his own decision and weather forecast he has. He has no one to blame but himself if this fails.
of course they are against this rule, obviously, but I still haven't heard from any driver commenting about the possible shoot-outs next year...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Personally I would use superally crews to sweep the road in second and third day.
The proposed system goes way to far, and to me the view of the drivers are reasonable. If FIA does not want reversed order, it has to be the rally leader the one to open the road in day 2 and 3, not the championship leader...
Also as Mirek said, running before the superally cars doesn't make sense to me
The promoter does realise that by trying to get more money out of TV, it'll just lead to getting less money form TV?
Money might remain, but niche channels have very small viewership.Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer
Totally agree Mirek!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
You should have a very hard time getting on the podium if your equipment breaks down, no matter what reason.
I think you guys speak the right things about starting order. However not forgetting that this used to be the way rules were in the beginning of 2000 or late 90´s. Remember those silly stops at the end of stages? That has to be taken care of if starting order should be as above.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Totally forgot that farceQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
How the hell do they write a letter about the running order but just accept the most ridiculous plan for 2015?
....The final day shootout sh*te
As I said send the superally cars first. They won't create so much "what if" fuzz anymore and there will be no reason for silly tactics. The only tactics to avoid sweeping would be not to crash. That's fair, don't You think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper