Which WRC is this for Evans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat-131-Abarth
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Which WRC is this for Evans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat-131-Abarth
I don't have enough knowledge to estimate how far Kubica is, so I'd leave that for some rally experts. But do you really think that it requires such great skills to become a factory driver these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Maybe sometimes it is better to watch a rally in front of a computer screen ;) because as far as I know Paddon won 3 or 4 stages in the whole rally or even less ;)Quote:
About Paddon, his stage-times were not all that bad. He did several fastest times in WRC2
Thanks for your comment though! I always respect your opinions and am happy to be discussing with you.
I think at least 11, he is the winner of last season JWRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
UK TV coverage is on ITV4,Tuesday at 6pm. As much as I appreciate ITV stepping in and taking on the coverage I wish they would put it on at a consistent time!
I think these are current "real" factory drivers (meaning not paying millions for a seat) : Ogier - Latvala - Mikkelsen - Sordo - Hirvonen - Neuville - Ostberg (- maybe Novikov?). Yes, I think he is not at their level yet. He may be there, but not yet... But I hope we'll find out soon :)
I don't think it is better to watch it in front of a computer screen. There you don't see the difference in acceleration between the DS3 RRC and a S2000, especially when exiting a very slow hairpin, like there are so many in Germany. ;) Only Kubica and Tsjoen (Valais) have been driving the DS3 RRC so far. In Valais last year Tsjoen was easily faster than others too (except for his crash of course). So again, we dont have any reference to compare, but Paddon and Evans looked better than Kubica in the fast sections. :)
Did someone really say something like that about Wiegand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat-131-Abarth
90% of the marshals are there with their own cars. And there was a lot of cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
After ~5 cars passed the place without getting really slower, the CO of Aksa got the triangle out of the crashed car and gave it to one marshal.
Our Best of Video of the rally germany are online!!!
WRC ADAC Rally Deutschland 2013 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahnrcaBoG6A
Of course it is better to watch it live! I was only joking at the fact that you didn't know Paddon's stage times :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Thanks for your opinion.
For what do You think they have it in car? That's the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallye-vid
So, the shocked Co and Driver have to think about everything? Not really ....
As far as I know it is their responsibility, same as displaying OK or SOS sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallye-vid
The performance between the different cars makes a large difference. Kubica and Evans were driving turbocharged vehicles which have more torque, very useful when exiting slow corners. Paddon was driving a S2000 class vehicle which has no turbocharger and so is at a disadvantage on every tight corner. The stages that Paddon won were all ones where the weather was changeable and outright power was less important - in some ways changeable weather/road conditions are the best test as the better drivers will be able to adapt more quickly and often outperform those driving faster cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
In rallying the stage times never tell the entire story. Every different car will have its strengths and weaknesses and often a slow driver in a fast car will beat a fast driver in a slow car. Look at Kris Meeke - last year driving the Mini he was slower than the Citroens, this year driving a Citroen he was one of the fastest drivers. Was he suddenly a better driver this year than last year? No, the car was faster. And so it is here, the Skoda engine (being non-turbocharged) makes it a slower car over twisty roads than the Citroen and Ford.
I will stay that Kubica has been extremely impressive with how quickly he has adapted to rallying (not that I expected anything else from a driver of his skill levels) and I really hope that he stays in the championship and continues to improve.
And he did second pass 30 s faster than first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
Watch here full highlights from WRC Rally Germany 2013:
http://youtu.be/PSL1QFdCFUc
Kubica and Evans both did a fantastic job. But you need to get some perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Paddon's times were fine and at times showed that he could have had the winning pace despite his car's huge disadvantage.The turbo charged cars of Kubica & Evans are at a significant performance advantage which should not be forgotten.
Also you need to consider the strategy when he found himself 2 minutes down on those in front and 2 minutes up on those behind. Do you push hard in a hopeless attempt to make up the time, risking both car and position, on a surface you're not familiar with and don't like, or do you settle into a comfortable pace and bag the points? Paddon is mature and professional enough to make the sensible decision. There's another rally next month.
The sad thing about WRC2 is the variety of car and the variance of performance that is now included making it very confusing for spectators and no doubt frustrating for competitors.
But once again, good performances here by the RRC & R5 cars suggest what a dynamic championship we'd have if R5 was the WRC formula.
Thanks for your opinion Cahuna! I consider Paddon a very good driver, so I'm very happy that Kubica managed to be faster than him. But you are right - sometimes stage times don't tell the whole story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cahuna
And as far as F1 skill levels are concerned, well you never know - Raikkonen's skills are probably better than Kubica's, but his achievements in rallying were not very impressive.
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Originally Posted by rallye-vid
German marshalls are very good at placing the triangles, just ask Ostberg......
So can somebody who saw Kubica's right hand say what are the possibilities for him to be back in F1 car...
Is it really so? I think it is possible to compete against RRC with S2000 car. Have you taken a look at the results in this year's European Championship? Have a look:Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Standings - ERC European Rally Championship - Eurosport
Kopecky, Bouffier and Breen are constantly faster than Kubica and his RRC.
The Co-driver or Driver should have placed their triangle out to give warning to the following competitors as soon as they got out of their car as it a regulatory requirement of rallyingQuote:
Originally Posted by rallye-vid
its not clear yet how faster is a rrc vs a s2000 car,dont to mention a r5 car.We have seen very different results among them(Basso,Kopecky,Loix etc)
Paddon had a very good result considering his car-testing-experience at asphalt,and Kubica had a perfect rally at a rally with difficult conditions that asphalt wasnt like in Spain smooth.Imho at Spain he will be much faster from his competitiors.
Slight understatement :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
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Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I agree. Paddon is not a mega-super-fast driver. He is fast, yes but Kubica is just faster on tarmac. If we go to Portugal with the same crews that were competing here in Germany then Kubica would not finish first. Paddon needs some experience before he goes into a WRC car. A year or two in Skoda factory team in ERC. And i dont think Paddon had a HUGE disadvantage with his car. Yes, the S2000 is slower but its not dramatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Again the results don't tell the whole story. Robert was faster than Jan and Craig most of the time but it was technical problems or his mistakes what put him behind them. When I spoke with Pavel Dresler he told me he is sure the DS3 RRC is faster car, especially in slippery conditions where traction is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Funnily enough when the competition proper started on day 2 Paddon aced the first 3 stages. So I'm not sure where you draw your conclusions from. Sadly at lunch on Friday the writing was already on the wall and it became a different ball game.Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlane
Yes, an S2000 car can compete with the turbo versions in the right hands. Paddon showed that. But that does not alter the fact that the turbo cars enjoy a significant advantage.
Good morning to all. could not follow the rally but just finish reading this thread. thanks for all the info. reading it is better than any report...
Some general thoughts about the drivers:
Happy for the once called wonderboy Sordo after gaining his first WRC win.
However I cannot explain why I remember the pictures of Puras sole WRC win in Corsica when I see him.
Hope this win is not his last as well as his last year as a WRC driver.
On the other hand congratulations to Neuville. I watch him live a couple of times, I enjoyed his style (in IRC Cyprus 2011 it was McRae style, crazy, spectacular drive) and I had big expectations of him but what he did at Citroen last year and at the beginning of this year with Ford, made me think that he will end up as Thiry – Duval – Loix……So I’m glad about his resurgence and I hope he becomes an Ogier thread. The WRC needs that. I quess his biggest “problem” is where to go next year.
About unguided missile Novikov only one comment…bring Giraudet back…
So Ogier can go off without pressure from Loeb… good for the WRC if this becomes a habit :)
Latvala. Fed up with him…. If only Paasonen/Mokkonen had the opportunities he is getting… (ok this is too personal :) )
Hirvonen. Again a good 2nd , point scorer driver waiting for others mistakes….
Ostberg: bring on 2014 asap
Kubica: really wondering what he can do on asphalt with a WRC
Evans: better than his father?
And some final thoughts/questions. Is Ford an easier car to drive than the DS3 or is it just the environment in the two teams that affects the psychology and thus the performance of the drivers?
What is the thing/things that Latvala - Novikov still missing to be more consistent and have more results – less crashes? Is it just psychology, concentration ability?
At the beginning of their WRC careers Ogier as well as Neuville were fast but erratic. What was the change that made them “turn the corner” with their performance? Different notes? Psychology?
I met Robert some years ago in Czech Republic, so on this years Tour de Corse I just wanted to say him hello. We spent several minutes talking and he had his right hand in his pocket all the time. At the end I asked him to sign me some photos I had and he also shook my hand. I don´t think this hand will drive F1 again. He almost doesn´t move with his wrist, it was in some fixed position all the time. But I don´t know if it could be better with time or if it is a final state of his rehabilitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
My friend (rally-driver) meet Kubica during Swedish Rally 2013 and said to me: "His right hand doesn`t work at all! I don`t understand how he drive!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Guys, thanks for info... :)
Yes, on the videos his hand doesn't look good. But somehow he manges to drive rally cars without problems. He said some time ago that he could drive F1 car on most of the tracks, only the tight ones would be a problem, like Monaco. Also he was testing for Mercedes in their F1 simulator a few times and I believe it has real size cockpit.
Your friend knows nothing about his hand, I had opportunity to speak to Robert and Maciek several times, I asked them to sign photos and Robert had no problem with opening marker or sign them. Apart from that if you remember in rally Portugal he had to change gears using right hand and operate hand break plus I don't understand people who think it's possible to drive rally car with just one hand. Lets finish this disgraceful and pointless discussion, it makes normal people sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
Another video of Thierry Neuville going on the limit! :D
Thierry Neuville on the limit - Pure Sound - YouTube
Video WRC Rally Germany
WRC Rally Germany - 2013 - YouTube
sin for accidents, good rally as always
i got it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
http://www.upload.ee/image/3539449/s...eexcursion.bmp
I was trying to find it out on the GE too, just for curiosity. We reached the same conclusion :) . Obviously, it was impossible for them to return to the route at the same point where they went out, so they weren't punished. It looks like there is some kind of path there, which explains that the car didn't have many damages.
http://i41.tinypic.com/254vr7q.png
I enjoyed this rally ! It was particulary interesting to follow it live during second way of Stein & Wein, when Latvala passed with troubles ... then Neuville ... and then was Sordo, without problems ! Spanish fans around me were excited ! Congrats to Sordo, nice victory. He perfectly took advantage of rain, and did no mistake !
Here are my pictures from National and Historic cars :
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photo...2013%20219.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photo...2013%20526.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photo...2013%20829.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photo...20j3%20332.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photo...2013%20317.jpg
eWRC-results.com - archive and online results from WRC and rally
Adam Cup guys were really impressived, really different from DS3 R1 Cup, boring.
and orange BMW were crazy ...