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Originally Posted by A.F.F.
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Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Toni could be a potential winner on Monte, he has always gone well there in the past and the Punto is capable of victories even if it is not quite as fast as the 207. Would be nice to see him do more IRC too.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
They just laugh at the ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
Sure, that would be a good NA engine. A high reving engine with boost. the hole idea is rediculous. And all the manufactorer need to make engines that can use the kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
No, they will need to build an engine that uses the standarized kit and swap engines. Probably change almost everything from air intake to muffler.
I couldn't agree more and think WRC go once again totally in the wrong direction with S2000+.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
What I can see happening is about 3-4 months into this year, the teams and FIA will realise that this isn't going to work and we will instead end up with detuned WRCars with the same engines as now (ie control transmission and control turbocharger) Future WRCars would have to be based on an S2000, but the engine could be totally different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard
Huh? It's not ridiculous :rolleyes: You CAN fit a turbo or supercharger that gives a light amount of boost without having to swap any internals on an engine. It's a fact. As long as the standard NA engine doesn't run crazy compression ratios as standard then it will take a light boost no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard
Yay! We agree on something finally :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
From my rathor basic knowledge of engine design, all that is needed to allow an NA engine to run a reasonable amount of turbo boost pressure is to change the head gasket which in turn changes the engine compression ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You do have other things to consider as well (such as head strength, cylinder strength, piston strength, fuel delivery, exhaust manifold and tuning etc.) but in essence an NA engine can be turned into a turbo engine without a great deal of fuss as long as the NA engine is quite strong to begin with. One would assume that an engine usind in a S2000 rally car would have quite significant preperation done to it when built.
For example, you can get EJ22 open decked engine block from an Australian NA Subaru, simply swap the pistons for forged units leaving the stock rods, crank shaft, and the complete head assemby as standard, add some larger injectors, use the correct head gaskets, add some electronic managment and you can quite safely put run 18psi of boost and make quite decent power for a road car (200+ kw atw isnt uncommon).
I have a Subaru background so im basing that on experience with Subaru's.
If more strength is required then sleeving and using upgraded internals can deliver a high reving, torquey tough as guts engine.
Im sure the same idea can be applied with a S2000 engine to allow the addition of turbocharger for minimal financial outlay.
The only immediate downfall would be the time taken to convert from S2000 to S2000+.
I agree that you CAN do this, but with very limited boost or with more boost and a useless NA engine. Even just by changing head gasket size, you may ruin gas flow and speed. At least make it much less effective. We are talking about keeping the engine competitive in both configurations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Maybe the option is to have 2 different engines, for which the price difference between the two is only €20,000 (complete with all the ancilleries...turbo etc)
Another option, why not have a supercharger? Belt driven, no intercooler, could be standardized easier than a turbo.
PG will entry Rally Norway.
He try to get budget to drive a Skodia Fabia WRC and if that will fall he try with his own Evo 9 Group-N.
"competitive"? the NA engines will be competing against NA engines and the turbo engines will be competing against turbo engines....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard
M600 WRC the new toy of Ostberg!
Translation?
http://moss-avis.no/article/20090105...6752/1044/ABON
Briefly the article tells that Mads Østberg started to test the new car today monday. They will have a thre day test in the norwegian mountain before they go to Rally Sigdal on saturday which is the first event in the norwegian championship 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by padWRC
They will continue to test the car and will also drive the second championship-event Rally Hadeland 24.jan. in the new WRC08.
Then they will be ready for Rally Norway with a lot of winter testing.
The price for the new WRC08 was 4,3 million NOK(425.000 GBP)
Team Adapta have reduced their WRC-entrys from 10 down to 8 events. They will not go to Ireland and Cyprus which was the original plan.
Strange the immat's of the car M600 ??!!!
what is it ... ?? S14 or S15 car ?
Ok lets say, you're running a manu-team that will only compete in WRC/s2000+ and really gives a f... on how it will run as a NA engine. Build it completely optimal for the kit-parts. How do you think it will do against the other NA+kit cars? It will probably smoke'em with twice the torgue. Same could be the other way around. build an optimal NA engine and give a f... in how it will do with the kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
How is FIA going to deal with this? Complete control (Pirelli)engines?
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard
The engines are "controlled" because they have to be homologated. The FIA can choose the spec and if the FIA chose to keep the same engine for S2000 and S2000+ then anyone building an engine to suit one specific regulation and get more power would find themselves excluded and banned for running an illegal engine. It's called homologation and it's why Richard Burns was excluded in Argentina one year and Marcus in Cyprus as well.
What you fail to understand is that the kit is supposed to be easily installed and taken off the car and an engine change isn't what most would consider an easy changeover.
The fact of the matter is that you could probably go out tomorrow, drive to a specialist and have a supercharger fitted to your car giving you a mild increase in power all without opening your engine up.
I'm not saying this is how it WILL be as no one knows what's going to happen, all I said was that it was technically possible (and it is!) to have an engine and add a turbo with only a small amount of boost (as per the s2000 proposals) and not need to modify the internals of the engine. You seem to argue that this is not technically possible when it clearly is and thousands of people on the road with standard engines + superchargers will agree with me.
GARD and DANIEL!!! Could you please post your discussion in a technical thread!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
This is a NEWS and RUMOURS thread!!!!
FIAT in WRC next year.. Vittorio Caneva - Facebook.
yeah sorry for OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
last post from me. I DON'T say it's tecnical impossible. I have done conversions like this. Actually I'm using a modfied engine in the car I'm using today. Everything but a rebuild is a huge compromize.
I say the solution will not work, because the teams want to win. You can optimize for either s2000 or s2000+. everthing else would be a compromize and you will not have a winning engine. So depending on homologation, you'll either have a good NA engine or a good turbo engine.
Boosting an optimal (high reving) NA engine, will make it much more expensive and unreliable. The teams will have all sorts of trouble, making winning combos out of this.
Two guys are debateing - one guy has experience with building engines and on guy is keyboard-warrior - which one should i believe? :rolleyes:
:D
S14, a new car specially built for Mads. S15 was never homologated.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
You should agree with the one that said it wasn't technical possible who now admits that it is technically possible of course :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
You can't do that!
I point out that the boost used in S2000+ engines will be quite low so itQuote:
Originally Posted by Gard
can be done
Gard finally admits that you can do thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
So who you gonna believe? The guy who one moment says it's not possible and wakes up the next morning and thinks it is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard
Daniel, everything is possible, but question is about how much you have to compromise (reliability vs. power aso.)? Would this be a good combination?
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by VFTS
M600 WRC, chassis 08004 ex-C1 WRCQuote:
Originally Posted by padWRC
Aava in Stobart Focus on Rally Ireland entry
http://www.rallybuzz.com/rally-ireland-2009-entry-list/
Good news that Aava got the Stobart.
So Wilson is now number 1 driver of Stobart !!
He drive all championship .. The number is not possible to switch .. So Henning will drive Ireland nut not nominate, and Aava 8 rallies...
So by deduction Wilson number 1 !!
Good news - Aava/Sikk..
numbers of MT2 teams stay the same through the year, but teams can change drivers each rally, jus tlike they did in 2008 with Galli, Duval, Solberg and Wilson.
I'm wrong.. No need fixed driver for number 1 drive ;) ... So they can switch between Henning, Wilson and Aava to score stobart pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
You mean the Ford? What prestige is there in driving a Stobart Car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
It's one of the better cars for privateers, and also he has put much effort, and trying very hard to reach the WRC. I cant think of anyone who would deserve a drive more than he, also he can drive quite good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
Yes, Aava is a good guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
But the Stobart thing is a myth, Avva's car will be 95% his own sponsors, but they still want him in "Stobart" team, but Henning has been promised something too... is a bit vauge. Plus Matthew is due to be World Champion next year so, Aava will not get a fair shout :s :
If Stobart were to pick Avva and Wilks/Meeke for example, and stick with them for the year, and pay for their drives outright, I would give them more credit. They are not even 20% of a sponsor that Expert are.
I guess if you are in one of the Ford M2 'teams' they just shuffle you about as necessary. Maybe Aava will also appear for Munchis at some point this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
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Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
The 'Stobart' team is turning into a joke now.....who is in charge of that team because they have'nt a clue!!!
Why cant they make a big big decision and have a 3rd team its not rocket science!!
Mads Østberg have tested his new S14....he is very pleased with the test:
http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php...yd-med-nybilen
They have managed 200km of testing monday and tuesday. Team Adapta also had their "old" S12b on the test and Mads drove both the cars to feel the differences.
They have chosen Öhlins.
They will continue their test tomorrow.
Hmm, didn't Henning present his deal to be super-duper and he was like first driver of the team? Always priority? Doesn't really fit the fact that he is not nominated in Ireland...