Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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Originally Posted by TL

since when are emails prove ? they can be manipulated in so many ways my dear ioan....

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Yeah but the drivers reckoned that they did write those emails!

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Originally Posted by TL

I keep saying Ferrari themself are to blame in all this for not protecting there files in a better way !

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Yes you do! Just keep doing it.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

If the emails were manipulated then why did McLaren not appeal? Because they weren't.

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who says they didn't ?....Have you been able to read all the files in this case ?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

If McLaren had raised the alarm when they were offered the data then they could claim innocence but they didn't and they made use of the data.

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why someone has to raise the alarm for things they legaly obtained ? and again..when you say things like.."they made use of the data"..show me ?

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Originally Posted by TL

when you say things like.."they made use of the data"..show me ?

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Someone might counter that with, 'show me they didn't?'

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Originally Posted by Caroline

Someone might counter that with, 'show me they didn't?'

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so you admit there can't be shown prove either way right ? I thought in that case..nobody is guilty until proven differently no ? than why the conviction ?

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Originally Posted by TL

who says they didn't ?....Have you been able to read all the files in this case ?




why someone has to raise the alarm for things they legaly obtained ? and again..when you say things like.."they made use of the data"..show me ?

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It's pointless wasting my time on people like you. If you read the FIA judgement you would know the answers to all your questions....

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Originally Posted by TL

so you admit there can't be shown prove either way right ? I thought in that case..nobody is guilty until proven differently no ? than why the conviction ?

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If you read the FIA judgement you would see this is not the case. There is proof that they DID use the data so McLaren would have to prove that this is not the case to appeal the decision.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

It's pointless wasting my time on people like you. If you read the FIA judgement you would know the answers to all your questions....

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well daniel..maybe you can copy and paste them parts out of it that answers my questions on here ? would be really kind and I thank you in advance !

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Originally Posted by TL

so you admit there can't be shown prove either way right ? I thought in that case..nobody is guilty until proven differently no ? than why the conviction ?

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I didn't admit anything. I am not an investigator with the FIA, I take no professional interest in the outcome of the spying row. I tried to make the point that we (the general public) know a fraction of the 'facts'. What happened behind a multitude of closed doors will probably remain there. You challenged someone on a public forum to prove themselves. I responded in kind.

Back to the fuel eh? :)

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Originally Posted by TL

so you admit there can't be shown prove either way right ? I thought in that case..nobody is guilty until proven differently no ? than why the conviction ?

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Because there is a big difference between the legal system of a country and the rules of a club.

The FIA Formula One World Championship is a club, not a legal system.

Mclaren signed up to be a member of the club when they signed the current Concorde Agreement and entered into the F1 championship.

Therefore, like every other club where membership is voluntary, the FIA can pretty much run itself the way it likes.

If Mclaren didn't know that, then at best they are niave. If Mclaren did know this, which seems the most plausible, then they knew what they were getting themselves into.

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Originally Posted by TL

well daniel..maybe you can copy and paste them parts out of it that answers my questions on here ? would be really kind and I thank you in advance !

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http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...ion_130907.pdf