another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by Starter

No, the real point is people dying because of the action of others. You get much more (pardon the pun) bang for the buck by addressing highway fatalities.

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So a road accident (stress on the latter word) that kills 20 kids ought not to cause anyone any more concern or moral outrage than a mentally ill man shooting 20 kids dead in their school? Interesting moral code by which you live.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

And you don't think that is being addressed already?

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Not adequately.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Actually, we can blame your country for all of the death and destruction in the middle east because if not for Germany the country of Israel would not exist, nor would there ever have been a need for it. But that's off topic for sure and I apologize to everyone for taking it there.

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I am not German. And, as someone who no doubt believes in the concept of personal responsibility, it is quite incredible for you to blame anyone other than those authorising and carrying out the acts of violence themselves in the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I agree - but the monumental task of disarming the American public may cause more trouble than it hopes to solve.

I don't profess to know the answer, but I think (and this thread is testament) there is a deep seated attitude toward firearms in the States that you'd be hard pressed to change.

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Thank you for seeing the truth. Too many people have unrealistic expectations as to what parts of reality it is possible to change. It matters little what you attitude toward guns may be, the reality is that they are ingrained in our society and exist here in larger numbers than can possibly be taken away. Should the government try and seize them, then there will for sure be another civil war here. I am not saying that because I am a gun owner (which I am), but because it is the truth of the matter.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Thank you for seeing the truth. Too many people have unrealistic expectations as to what parts of reality it is possible to change. It matters little what you attitude toward guns may be, the reality is that they are ingrained in our society and exist here in larger numbers than can possibly be taken away. Should the government try and seize them, then there will for sure be another civil war here. I am not saying that because I am a gun owner (which I am), but because it is the truth of the matter.

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And, as an outsider, I find this very concerning.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Thank you for seeing the truth. Too many people have unrealistic expectations as to what parts of reality it is possible to change. It matters little what you attitude toward guns may be, the reality is that they are ingrained in our society and exist here in larger numbers than can possibly be taken away.

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Guns should never be 'ingrained' in any society. Guns are in no sense a force for good, except perhaps in terms of some sporting use.

I know! An increase of gun-tax :idea:

ok maybe not :p :andrea:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

I know! An increase of gun-tax :idea:

ok maybe not :p :andrea:

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You'd wipe out the national debt overnight.......... :p

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So a road accident (stress on the latter word) that kills 20 kids ought not to cause anyone any more concern or moral outrage than a mentally ill man shooting 20 kids dead in their school? Interesting moral code by which you live.

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You certainly do like to claim meanings not in evidence and quotes out of context, don't you? It basically makes all of your posts not worth reading as they are nothing more than an attempt to divert attention from points which you apparently have no substantive answer to..

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

You'd wipe out the national debt overnight.......... http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif

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or cause another credit crunch :(