Libya no fly zone

So they say they are not targeting Quaddafi - Now how dumb is this. In a cancer operation you do not leave the heart of the tumor. Jesus we need out of the war business.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

So they say they are not targeting Quaddafi - Now how dumb is this. In a cancer operation you do not leave the heart of the tumor.

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A fair and reasonable point, but I can completely see — as deep down, I reckon you may be able to as well — why those involved are attempting to avoid forcing a 'regime change' themselves. Far better for the same thing to happen as occurred in Serbia in 1999, where it was the people's doing and not directly NATO's, than what took place in Iraq.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

And yet I suspect if Obama had waited and sought the approval of Congress you may well have been calling for his impeachment on the basis of hesitation :p :

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not me, but may be others........i would be saying that he recognizes the constitutional requirements necessary before he starts blowing the snot out of people

Some think that because I do not support gun banning and all that, that i be a right winger; however that is the one and perhaps the only area which I might qualify. I voted for McCain becuse of his position on adopting certain economic policies that the mega rich hated in terms of what they would no longer be able to do on Wall Street, and mcCain had been pushing that long before he became a presdential candidate, so the fact that the Wall Street fat cats did not like him, but liked obama was all I needed to know.

Voting for Obama makes one look liberal, when in fact, that is mostly smoke screen for the benefit of the public, while privately, he has always taken care of the fat cats, even while in congress. As someone in Watergate once said, "follow the money" .....


So like i posted earlier, where is the money.......must be something for someone, maybe the french need some oil?????????????????

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Originally Posted by Roamy

So they say they are not targeting Quaddafi - Now how dumb is this. In a cancer operation you do not leave the heart of the tumor. Jesus we need out of the war business.

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Very dumb. Always figured one way to stop all wars would have it be that the first to die would be all the leaders involved........one reason for the lack of a nuclear war, as it would be tough for the leaders to escape

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Originally Posted by Roamy

So they say they are not targeting Quaddafi - Now how dumb is this. In a cancer operation you do not leave the heart of the tumor. Jesus we need out of the war business.

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Thanks for that one Roamy. That is Forum gold

:rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

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The UN charter was ratified by the Senate in 1945, and as such the president is bound by its terms.

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Bound?
Why, give legal proof.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Bound?
Why, give legal proof.

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I beleive he mis-spoke. Even if we are "bound", those terms do not mandate that the member countries must go to war when the UN says so.......
Technically, there are those that argue that due to certain language in the constitution, a treaty ratified under article II by the Senate is on equal footing with the constitution and federal law; however the why that may be true or NOT true, is beyond the scope of this forum.

I would add, for those who just got to know, Reid v Covert, is about as close as we have come to an answer, although that did not involve an article II treaty: "this [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty......"

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

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We are not invading all Muslim countries why?

Libya had the highest standard of living in the area, and women had the more rights than before Qaddafi took over, yet the United Nattering Nabobs ignore other Muslim stink-holes that butcher women to go after poor old Qaddafi.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

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We are not invading all Muslim countries why?

Libya had the highest standard of living in the area, and women had the more rights than before Qaddafi took over, yet the United Nattering Nabobs ignore other Muslim stink-holes that butcher women to go after poor old Qaddafi.

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http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...858#post898858

is a start.......Logic got nothing to do with the unconstitutional actions of sending cruise missiles ....

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

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We are not invading all Muslim countries why?

Libya had the highest standard of living in the area, and women had the more rights than before Qaddafi took over, yet the United Nattering Nabobs ignore other Muslim stink-holes that butcher women to go after poor old Qaddafi.

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'Poor old Gaddafi'. My word.