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8th July 2010, 22:19
airshifter

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'm saying that if you can't get one of the competitors products to work, a simple search on the net will yield the results and save you hundreds of pounds.

I have hobbies to fill my time with, I just don't see the point in wasting hundreds of pounds giving money to some freaking egotistical maniac in a turtleneck rather than just doing it myself.

You seem to have this idea that I can't afford anything or that I'm too cheap to spend money on something decent. That's not the case at all. If buying an Apple product was actually going to save me tens of hours I'd get it but that's simply not the way it is.

But that same thing could be said of many, many markets and companies. Some would argue that it's pointless and stupid to use and Intel CPU and a Microsoft operating system when you can get products that work just as good for less money and some research.

You can rebuild your own car engine vs buying a new car as well. How do you like the Fiat? Was the salesman an egotistical maniac?
8th July 2010, 22:21
Andrewmcm

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Well perhaps I just like a machine that has an endless list of capabilities. If my contract gets extended I'm going to build myself a new PC which will mop the floor with any Mac you can put against it aside from perhaps the top of the range dual processor one..... all for about a third to half the price of what Apple will charge.

Essentially what you're saying is that you can be an idiot and own an Apple product, what I say is "Don't be an idiot, buy an xyz product, save yourself hundreds of pounds and just rtfm or have a look on the internet, the solutions are all there"

Endless list of capabilities? You should have a Linux system then. Or something that's based on Linux/Unix. Like ubuntu, openSuse, or, wait for it, Mac OS.....

Just out of interest, when was the last time you used a non-Windows based computer? And I include Linux in that as well as Mac.
8th July 2010, 23:35
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

Endless list of capabilities? You should have a Linux system then. Or something that's based on Linux/Unix. Like ubuntu, openSuse, or, wait for it, Mac OS.....

Just out of interest, when was the last time you used a non-Windows based computer? And I include Linux in that as well as Mac.

Christmas was the last time I used a non-Windows PC :p It locked up on me ;)

Actually scratch that.... I use linux most days when I use the imagine software we run at work.
9th July 2010, 00:02
Daniel

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Originally Posted by airshifter

But that same thing could be said of many, many markets and companies. Some would argue that it's pointless and stupid to use and Intel CPU and a Microsoft operating system when you can get products that work just as good for less money and some research.

You can rebuild your own car engine vs buying a new car as well. How do you like the Fiat? Was the salesman an egotistical maniac?

The salesman was quite nice and down to earth ;) To be fair he could be as we had pretty much decided to get the car already :p

If non-Microsoft stuff works so well why is it not more widely used? The fact of the matter is that Microsoft offers the best solution for businesses. Microsoft generally patch vulnerabilities quickly, microsoft have their own standards for training and certification, their software is supported for long periods (XP launched in 2001 and will be supported till 2014 and support for 2000 is only just finishing), the total cost of ownership is low and there's an app for just about everything!

Personally I actually think XP was a bag of crap. It started off rubbish and was only useable and secure from SP2 onwards and both Vista and 7 are far better nowadays.

I won't bring Intel into it because tbh at the moment whether you buy Intel or AMD you'll get a decent PC although my next CPU will probably be an i7 950 (they're cutting the price by about 50% at the end of August :) ) unless they release a decently priced hexa core CPU.
9th July 2010, 02:55
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Well perhaps I just like a machine that has an endless list of capabilities.

Oh, cool! Welcome to the Apple family, my brother! BestBuy has a sale on Apple iMacs and MacBook Pros now. But I'm going to try to get mine through my buddy's son next year. College kids get an extra discount. Let me know when you're ready for the computer that'll run all the operating systems (Mac OS, Windows, Linux, etc.) and I'll get you hooked up too! I knew you'd come around.

:D
9th July 2010, 09:25
Mark

But don't you see that the same arguments you use against people buying Apple products and Macs you can use against windows when you have Linux distros available for free. And you can do lots of things with them by searching online to find out how to do them!

For me I didn't buy an iPhone because I thought it looked cool or I wanted to impress anyone. I bought it for the same reason people buy Windows, because it has the most applications and the most development effort behind it and as a result I can use it for more things.
9th July 2010, 09:58
Dave B

I won't be buying an iPhone for a similar reason. It does have lots of development beind it, that's true, but all by one company. Android has half a dozen (so far) manufacturers integrating into their products, and its open attitude to developers will almost certainly see the app store equal if not better Apple's before long. Plus there's no jumping through hoops to get your app approved only to find out that Jobs has remotely killed it six months down the line.

Sadly for Microsoft I forsee Windows becoming a niche OS on mobile devices. Symbian will probably wither and die through lack of support, leaving Android and iOS to fight it out. Having only one (telephphone) product on the market at any one time will hinder Apple in my opinion.
9th July 2010, 10:09
Mark

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

I won't be buying an iPhone for a similar reason. It does have lots of development beind it, that's true, but all by one company.

By development I was referring to the application developers, of which there are a great many!

If the Android app store should prove to be superior next time I come to buy a phone I will have no issues switching over to them, but at the moment at least, it's Apple who has the upper hand.
9th July 2010, 10:25
Daniel

Well I think windows phone 7 will be a sink or swim moment for Microsoft. It has the opportunity to become the default business phone if they do things right. My contract conveniently expires around launch time for Windows Phone 7. If it's not good I can certainly see myself getting an Android phone. Looking at the demo's though it does look pretty slick.

I don't see how Apple has the upper hand. Android has craploads of apps. Apps were really the only thing that made the iPhone popular and now that app stores aren't an apple only thing the iPhone is no longer special, just expensive.

What puzzles me is why Nokia persist with Symbian.....

JW, I will never have a Mac ;) I can afford one but it's so against everything I stand for it's not funny.
9th July 2010, 10:35
odykas

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Originally Posted by Daniel

JW, I will never have a Mac ;)

I will never pay to get a Mac ;) :p :

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