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8th July 2009, 20:04

Schumacher never got accused of not trying.

If he had a fault, which he did, it was that he didn't know when to stop.

Kimi doesn't know when to start.

One approach will gain admiration & respect from the Tifosi, even though there were times when it was too much.

The other never will.
8th July 2009, 22:45
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

Telling people they are not true Tifosi because they disagree with you, will get us nowhere.. Every driver has their faults and Kimi is also one of them ;)

People who criticize (I use a mild expression as you can see ;) ) Ferrari and their best ever driver while excusing the laziest ever Ferrari driver are not Tifosi they are just lazy driver fanboys. Care to contradict me? I'm open for a discussion! ;)
9th July 2009, 08:29
DexDexter

Ioan's message seems to be "if you don't agree with me, get out!" :)
9th July 2009, 08:34
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm not excusing Kimi in any way here,...

And I wasn't talking about you either! ;)

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Originally Posted by henners88

but I feel we are not in a position to judge performances this season with the car being so bad and neither driver doing particularly well. Last season however was a slump in his performance but thats due to driver preferences.

Now you are excusing him. :D

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Originally Posted by henners88

...but the original point you were trying to make was because something slightly negative was said about MS, means this person cannot be a true Tifosi.. How ridiculous is that?

It's not ridiculous at all, because jas... isn't and will never be a Ferrari fan, let alone a Tifoso, he hates Ferrari and he hates MS, he only finds himself in teh situation of being a Kimi fan and if you look back to 2006 posts about Kimi going to Ferrari you'll see that 95% of his fans were trashing Ferrari left, right and center, and even now they are more McLaren fans than Ferrari fans. In conclusion they never were, and never will be Tifosi!

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Originally Posted by henners88

The true Tifosi are the 'Italian' fans supporting their countrymen, not someone for example who owns a Ferrari t-shirt, a Schumacher hat, a keyring, eats at an Italian resturant every week, and lives in Doncaster... Everyone else are merely considered fans or fanboys, which ever takes your fancy.. ;)

So you don't understand what a Tifoso is.

It has nothing to do with being Italian and supporting fellow Italians. It's about supporting Ferrari, no matter who drives or works for them. It's a about sticking with the Ferrari team no matter what.

Hopefully now you understand it better.
9th July 2009, 10:23

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Originally Posted by henners88

Thats all gravy my man but is it ok to follow a driver rather than a team? If I had a favourite driver and he moved to Maranello and I wanted to carry on cheering him on, would that be accepted by the Tifosi? It seems to be the perception that if someone drives for Ferrari, you have to be a die hard Tifoso in order to have respect and be considered a fan.. I'm sure if Massa moved to Mclaren, most of his supporters in Brazil would swap allegence pretty prompt if you ask me. Especially if he was in a position to win a WDC. I can understand with Ferrari its very different and they seem to have 'Team fans' unlike the other teams due to their long history. I suppose Italy has also had a long drought of WDC's (not a dig btw) and they have a dominant, prestigious team like Ferrari instead, so their fanbase is more central to the team...

It just goes to show the differences in the fans across the world :)

Ferrari became iconic due to the state of post-war Italy. The achievements of the Ferrari team during a time of economic hardship became a symbol of Italian pride when, quite frankly, there was feck all else to be proud about.

Now, when it comes to the Tifosi, it is ingrained that the team is more important than the driver.

A 'fan' of a driver who becomes a Ferrari driver is not a Tifosi unless they continue to support Ferrari once that driver leaves.

If they don't, then they are not fans of the team. That means they cannot be Tifosi.

The title of this thread states "Ferrari Fans Thread". It perhaps could have been better defined as 'Tifosi Thread', but it does clearly indicate that it is for supporters of Ferrari, the team.
9th July 2009, 10:50
Dzeidzei

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Originally Posted by tamburello

A 'fan' of a driver who becomes a Ferrari driver is not a Tifosi unless they continue to support Ferrari once that driver leaves.

If they don't, then they are not fans of the team. That means they cannot be Tifosi.

The title of this thread states "Ferrari Fans Thread". It perhaps could have been better defined as 'Tifosi Thread', but it does clearly indicate that it is for supporters of Ferrari, the team.

That is perfectly fine as a decription. Im a fan of Kimi (and Heikki and Nico, bytheway) and because of that also a Ferrari fan. I think becoming wdc in a Ferrari is the biggest thing you can achieve as a F1 driver and Im very happy Kimi did achieve that.

At the same time it sickens me to see Kimi´s mediocre performance nowadays. He only gets close to his old driving occasionally. Thats not even close enough for any fan and certainly not the tifosi.

Im not touchy about Kimi´s success (or the lack of it) at the moment. It just piss** me off. Theres no way I can accept that Kimi and Felipe are fighting for the last points. Its podiums and wins I want.

In that way I share what the tifosi feel.
9th July 2009, 11:03
ioan

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

That is perfectly fine as a decription. Im a fan of Kimi (and Heikki and Nico, bytheway) and because of that also a Ferrari fan. I think becoming wdc in a Ferrari is the biggest thing you can achieve as a F1 driver and Im very happy Kimi did achieve that.

At the same time it sickens me to see Kimi´s mediocre performance nowadays. He only gets close to his old driving occasionally. Thats not even close enough for any fan and certainly not the tifosi.

Im not touchy about Kimi´s success (or the lack of it) at the moment. It just piss** me off. Theres no way I can accept that Kimi and Felipe are fighting for the last points. Its podiums and wins I want.

In that way I share what the tifosi feel.

That's fair and I agree with you on this one.

To put things straight I don't dislike Kimi, I really like him as a person (for as much as I can know him), but I'd wish he lifted his game a bit.

I never expected Kimi to be as dominant as MS but didn't expect Felipe to dominate him as much as this either.
9th July 2009, 13:50
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by ioan

I never expected Kimi to be as dominant as MS but didn't expect Felipe to dominate him as much as this either.

Neither Felipe or Kimi is dominating each other.
KR was the better driver in 2007. Felipe in 2008.
So far this year they have been around equal.

They are both very good drivers, who can also play the team game, instead of that bitching monobrow
9th July 2009, 15:41
markabilly

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Ferrari became iconic due to the state of post-war Italy. The achievements of the Ferrari team during a time of economic hardship became a symbol of Italian pride when, quite frankly, there was feck all else to be proud about.

Now, when it comes to the Tifosi, it is ingrained that the team is more important than the driver.

A 'fan' of a driver who becomes a Ferrari driver is not a Tifosi unless they continue to support Ferrari once that driver leaves.

If they don't, then they are not fans of the team. That means they cannot be Tifosi.

The title of this thread states "Ferrari Fans Thread". It perhaps could have been better defined as 'Tifosi Thread', but it does clearly indicate that it is for supporters of Ferrari, the team.

and so, given the current situ with max, ferrari and your position, you would not qualify as Tifosi since you do not support them against max

as it "should be ingrained that the team is even more important than" either the driver or the mere head nut case of the fia.
9th July 2009, 19:48

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Originally Posted by markabilly

and so, given the current situ with max, ferrari and your position, you would not qualify as Tifosi since you do not support them against max

as it "should be ingrained that the team is even more important than" either the driver or the mere head nut case of the fia.

I'll support Ferrari no matter what series they appear in.

However, I won't be keen on them forcing the governing body into actions that I do not beleive benefit the long term future of the sport...........just as I'm not keen on them employing a certain Finn and wish they wouldn't (but come Sunday I'll still want him to win).

It is possible to be a devoted Tifosi and think that Luca is wrong.

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