Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

the issue for me is that max refuses to be judged by the same standards by which he has judged others. plus his handling of the FIA which is so praised by ioan and a few others.

he is upset about what he thinks is an intrusion into something that is nobody else's business. well, why did he get involved in the intra-team qualifying squabble in hungary last year when the stewards (judges of fact, in motorsport speak) didn't bother?

he is upset that someone has "set him up". did he or did he not enter the apartment voluntarily? yes? well, the only set up then was the leaking of the footage, ergo, the only thing he is sorry about in the whole episode was that he got caught. i have heard no regret that he was with the hookers and he engaged in his acts; just that it hurt his family and invaded his privacy.

cast your mind back to last year, when max justified his fining of mclaren by saying he was only interested in what the evidence showed, not how it was obtained or the legal niceties of it.

you can't have it both ways, old son, especially not when, cheating or not, maclaren didn't actually break any of the FIA's laws governing F1. Not one of them.

That's why the FIA needed to charge them with bringing the sport into disrepute, because as unpalatable and unethical as it might have been, spying on another team didn't breach any of the FIA's laws governing the sport.

Max, on the other hand, would seem to have broken the law by using prostitutes. voluntarily.

If max had headed any of the companies sponsoring any F1 team, he'd have been out the door in less than 24 hours.

that he wasn't is indicative of an arrogance that interferes with judgement at key times and that makes you wonder about a lot of previous FIA decisions.

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he really have sold the F1 rights for 100 years without so much as a tender offer in a newspaper or magazine, as any accountable organisation (government, publicly listed company) would need to do?

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he have banned green technologies a decade ago?

If max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he have had a specific rule in place against cheating and spying on other teams?

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would there have been a more transparent excuse or some rational reason why there was no philosophical parallel between mclaren cheating and renault cheating?

If max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he personally have done anything differently to avert the Indy debacle and retain F1's presence in the richest market in the world?

good riddance to you, max.

to most, the scandal alone would be enough.

to some, your reaction to the scandal says enough about your lack of rational capacity to lead in tough times.

to me, saying it's private and nothing to do with the FIA is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Bernie is up against Max, but Max stays :p :

Look who's stirring the stinky stuff again:

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"The problem is, if he stays until 2009, he will run again," Ecclestone said. "I am 100 per cent certain about that; no, one million per cent certain. That's what he said. He says: 'I don't have to do anything. There'll be another election and I can stand if I want.'"

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Why is that it isn't a surprise anymore to see such comments from Bernie?!

Why I don't trust Bernard:

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Ecclestone added that there were sections of F1 that wished Mosley to go because it would help the commercial side of the sport.

"It has been difficult for me," Ecclestone explained. "The people I deal with are commercial people, manufacturers, sponsors and teams. They want peace and they want to get on with the business and the sport. Max doesn't care - he's not commercial - he hasn't got one single dollar invested, so he doesn't give a stuff."

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Because all he does it's because his huge financial interest, while on the opposite Max has none of this, he's there to do his job.

Link: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67951

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Originally Posted by ioan

Because all he does it's because his huge financial interest, while on the opposite Max has none of this, he's there to do his job.

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Just the same as Bernie's job is to manage the sport's financial interests, and as far as his job is concerned, Max shouldn't be there.

But Bernie doesn't get a vote so that's just his opinion.
[quote="Mickey T"]the issue for me is that max refuses to be judged by the same standards by which he has judged others. plus his handling of the FIA which is so praised by ioan and a few others.

he is upset about what he thinks is an intrusion into something that is nobody else's business. well, why did he get involved in the intra-team qualifying squabble in hungary last year when the stewards (judges of fact, in motorsport speak) didn't bother?

he is upset that someone has "set him up". did he or did he not enter the apartment voluntarily? yes? well, the only set up then was the leaking of the footage, ergo, the only thing he is sorry about in the whole episode was that he got caught. i have heard no regret that he was with the hookers and he engaged in his acts]
This is a great post. :up:

Yup. Great post, Mickey T. :up:

If Max survives this, what happens the next time someone in an FIA-sanctioned championship is accused of bringing the sport into disrepute? All they'd need to do is use the "pot-kettle-black" defence.

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

the issue for me is that max refuses to be judged by the same standards by which he has judged others. plus his handling of the FIA which is so praised by ioan and a few others.

he is upset about what he thinks is an intrusion into something that is nobody else's business. well, why did he get involved in the intra-team qualifying squabble in hungary last year when the stewards (judges of fact, in motorsport speak) didn't bother?

he is upset that someone has "set him up". did he or did he not enter the apartment voluntarily? yes? well, the only set up then was the leaking of the footage, ergo, the only thing he is sorry about in the whole episode was that he got caught. i have heard no regret that he was with the hookers and he engaged in his acts; just that it hurt his family and invaded his privacy.

cast your mind back to last year, when max justified his fining of mclaren by saying he was only interested in what the evidence showed, not how it was obtained or the legal niceties of it.

you can't have it both ways, old son, especially not when, cheating or not, maclaren didn't actually break any of the FIA's laws governing F1. Not one of them.

That's why the FIA needed to charge them with bringing the sport into disrepute, because as unpalatable and unethical as it might have been, spying on another team didn't breach any of the FIA's laws governing the sport.

Max, on the other hand, would seem to have broken the law by using prostitutes. voluntarily.

If max had headed any of the companies sponsoring any F1 team, he'd have been out the door in less than 24 hours.

that he wasn't is indicative of an arrogance that interferes with judgement at key times and that makes you wonder about a lot of previous FIA decisions.

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he really have sold the F1 rights for 100 years without so much as a tender offer in a newspaper or magazine, as any accountable organisation (government, publicly listed company) would need to do?

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he have banned green technologies a decade ago?

If max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he have had a specific rule in place against cheating and spying on other teams?

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would there have been a more transparent excuse or some rational reason why there was no philosophical parallel between mclaren cheating and renault cheating?

If max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he personally have done anything differently to avert the Indy debacle and retain F1's presence in the richest market in the world?

good riddance to you, max.

to most, the scandal alone would be enough.

to some, your reaction to the scandal says enough about your lack of rational capacity to lead in tough times.

to me, saying it's private and nothing to do with the FIA is the straw that broke the camel's back.

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:up: How quickly can you be in Paris? Hurry, hurry, hurry!!!

Good grief, common sense on the Motorsport forum, whatever next.

Thanks for a very well constructed post.

Not called Bernard perchance are you?

:up: :)

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

max refuses to be judged by the same standards by which he has judged others.

he is upset about what he thinks is an intrusion into something that is nobody else's business. well, why did he get involved in the intra-team qualifying squabble in hungary last year?

invaded his privacy.

max justified his fining of mclaren by saying he was only interested in what the evidence showed, not how it was obtained or the legal niceties of it.

you can't have it both ways, old son,

That's why the FIA needed to charge them with bringing the sport into disrepute, because as unpalatable and unethical as it might have been, spying on another team didn't breach any of the FIA's laws governing the sport.

Max, on the other hand, would seem to have broken the law by using prostitutes. voluntarily.

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One suspects this will be tantamount to the success of any defence vis a vis the NOTW suit. Quite compelling against the old boy isn't it. Max is a 'do as I say, not as I do' wallah, apparently. ;)

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he really have sold the F1 rights for 100 years without so much as a tender offer in a newspaper or magazine, as any accountable organisation (government, publicly listed company) would need to do?

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he have banned green technologies a decade ago?

If max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he have had a specific rule in place against cheating and spying on other teams?

if max had been such a good head of the FIA, would there have been a more transparent excuse or some rational reason why there was no philosophical parallel between mclaren cheating and renault cheating?

If max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he personally have done anything differently to avert the Indy debacle and retain F1's presence in the richest market in the world?

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And that is the case the delegation ought to be considering right now. And F1 is just one aspect of the FIA......

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

he is upset about what he thinks is an intrusion into something that is nobody else's business. well, why did he get involved in the intra-team qualifying squabble in hungary last year when the stewards (judges of fact, in motorsport speak) didn't bother?

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Because it was public, showed on millions of TV sets worldwide?!
Because it wasn't fair play, something of utmost importance in sports?!
Because the FIA is responsible of the sporting regulations of F1?!
Because having stewards that aren't capable of doing their job (look no further than 2008 Monaco GP for a good example) doesn't mean that you should let them do whatever they do?!
Because it was hurting F1, on top of the spying affair?!

What has all this to do with Mosley playing with hookers?!
It has nothing to do with it! However if some stress their brains enough than they can make it look like id Mosley is responsible for the Iraqi war! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

If max had been such a good head of the FIA, would he personally have done anything differently to avert the Indy debacle and retain F1's presence in the richest market in the world?

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:rotflmao:
This is the best piece of it!
Putting Bernie's wrongdoings on Max's back! :rolleyes:

Paraphrasing SGWIlko: "Not called Bernard perchance are you?"

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Originally Posted by ioan

:rotflmao:
This is the best piece of it!
Putting Bernie's wrongdoings on Max's back! :rolleyes:

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Hang on a sec, I understand the Bibendum teams & Bernie had agreed a compromise that would allow them to race at a reduced pace in that corner.

My undersatnding of articles in Autosport online (http://www.autosport.com - go look for them, havn't the time myself) that Max vetoed this idea.

As for the McCall them whatever you like Hungary incident. That affected NO OTHER COMPETITORS but themselves. What was said between drivers and teams is private (even though all teams snoop on each others transmissions).....