I'm the one who always says we shouldn't make comments on testing videos...but that Hyundai looks so clumsy, like an early Group B quattro or even the Citroen BX4TC, with big understeer and sudden oversteer
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I'm the one who always says we shouldn't make comments on testing videos...but that Hyundai looks so clumsy, like an early Group B quattro or even the Citroen BX4TC, with big understeer and sudden oversteer
I’ve avoided saying anything for the same reason, but I have to agree there is something odd about the way it squats and understeers under power. Looks really strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I’m sure they will sort it out, but for now it doesn’t look the easiest for sure.
Neuville/Tänak Rally1 by Aa26 https://youtu.be/Qz_oTTQKwI8
Anyone knows the location in France of the test? i could not see in the video description. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I find it strange as well, i expected the new cars to look much stiffer than the old ones.
I would say the Puma does look stiffer than the Fiesta from the videos we have seen, and in honesty better for it, yet the Hyundai appears to have gone the opposite direction on the evidence we see so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
I’ll wait until we really see them in competition to decide for myself if they really are what we see now.
Tänak Rally1 https://youtu.be/9ELGBwdHcGU
So all the rumors saying Tanak is leaving are bullshit
Gallery of Tänak https://www.facebook.com/79714105035...603505472/?d=n
Tänak Rally1 by Aa26 https://youtu.be/DAIE7ruEdFw
We'll see before Monte for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Portimao
But it's kind of strange that no Monza but before the rally he has time to test the new car.
Whatever is happening I find it quite strange. And I thought Miika Wuorela has lost his plot completely but now I'm starting to think he maybe has a point.
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There is possibility, that Tanak has made some kind of statement to Hyundai. That either developing the car wents that direction, that he wants or he packs his things together.
He has been polite whole year, when car hasn't worked the way he wants, but now seems that he has enough.
And Monza is just showing that he is willing to do so
One guy also asked this in Twitter from Wuorela that why is he doing the testing then. And the answer basically was that cause he has a contract till the end of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
But I’m thinking, why do you do testing and development with a driver who isn’t even driving for you the next year?
Personally I still have trouble believing any of the rumors, still it's fun to speculate, especially since not much is going on in WRC atm.
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To try to convince him to stay, using the argument that the new car is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
(afaik during the last two tests he was the last driver to test the car, so driving when the car is "best")
Plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
It's possible that Hyundai put some early pressure for him to re-sign like: "Deadline by May or you will not be allowed to try our Rally1"? And now that he is signed he doesn't have many options on how to get them to do what he wants.
And the other rumour? About him retired from WRC? That allow him to test no?
If the reason he is testing the 2022 car is because he has a contract until the end of the year... does 2021 end on the 18th of November?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
It's either that or, as I suspect to be the case, Miika Wuorela is talking out of his ar...
Yes it's fun to speculate. I don't know where Wuorela is getting his info but I'm not buying it at the moment. It seems more like Tanak has given up on this year and wants to focus on the next instead of driving a rally that will probably not appear in the WRC again. Hyundai can evaluate Suninen, Tanak can do more testing of the Rally1. That's also an option but is much less attention grabbing than "Tanak is going to retire". That's my view but we will see in January at the latest :)
Well Wuorela also hinted that not only Tänak but also Hyundai will pack their bags...
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If I was a team boss and my driver was leaving the team, I wouldn't let him test the car anymore. The motivation would be gone and at worst he would take some secrets to the competitor.
Toksport / Movisport Monza PET
https://youtu.be/0-VA6B60fT4
Yea? Then I say Ott and Thierry will rent '17 Fiesta from Malcolm.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Hyundai leaving makes sense for Ott leaving, Thierry's outburst and no customer cars announcement but I still don't see either. What's the motivation for even the team boss to keep testing? Just stay out of the PR game at that point. Would Hyunxit also mean goodbye to WRC2? No Rally2 builds? Hyundai is Hyundai after all.
Maybe Ott or Thierry could be a 'top driver' for Citroen.
Maybe Hyundai contracts pay for Pumas.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Gryazin is driving with Toksport car+team, only scoring points for Movisport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Which is really funny. Let's say he is in a position to take manu champ. for Movisport before last service. Will some small service thing suddenly take a bit too long? (Skoda 2005 Australia conspiracy theories anyone?).
Another one of Tänak Rally1 https://youtu.be/zcOaHgHIjBU
I think "Hyunxit" might just be the ugliest word I've ever seen. Not for what it symbolises, it's just fugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
There's just no way a manufacturer like Hyundai will simply walk away, after publicly announcing they're in for the next three years (and without a VW-esque scandal hanging over them).
Considering how much Ott has been testing lately, I truly believe that the Monza absent is just because Hyundai is so much behind. He is testing in Italy, gathering as much info as possible, then all the mechanics and engineers, who are also needed in Monza will travel without any COVID restrictions to there, do the rally and others (maybe even Ott) will go to the factory and based on feedback develop the car. And I wouldn't be surprised that early next week we can see Thierry taking over the testing in Italy.
Hyundai Rally1 https://youtu.be/Exf4H8NcEqA
The latest video preview 'The WRC Magazine' shows the Hyundai Rally1 car test.
Both Neuville and Tanak are interviewed and are talking quite optimistically about the new car for 2022. Tanak is pretty cheerful on the learning aspect and you would not suspect any chance of him retiring.
Neuville says he is enjoying the 'boost' to 500bhp which is quite a surprise to handle, especially on gravel.
Yeah, that's so far the explanation that makes most sense to me. Real "personal reasons" like illness in family etc. don't line up so well with all the testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Tanak in the Rally1 interview:
https://i.imgur.com/Mot0TtJ.jpg
I still don't understand this theory. "How much Ott has been testing lately", not any bit more than Neuville? And like I said, the teams cannot test the new cars unlimitedly, there's only 30 extra days allowed. I understand Ott is good at developing cars, but how would his presence at the factory help the engineers, assuming they cannot do any testing at the factory? When they do two days of testing, they likely get a good set of data and comments from the drivers, and know what they must work on, without getting any more input until the next test with the new changes. Finally, I wouldn't believe the team could develop the new car while a WRC event is ongoing. Too much important personnel would have to be in two places at the same time, or at least thinking and concentrating on two things via messages from the factory (engineers, mechanics, drivers, bosses etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
I'll rephrase this. Considering how much Hyundai has been testing lately. I think everyone agrees and Hyundai has said it themselves that compared to others they are behind in development and they have a lot to do. Monza rally itself takes at least a week with all the travelling, recce etc. Now Ott can just focus on testing and no other extra activities.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
True, but they still need to use those days and it is already in the middle of November. And as you said, these are extra days... so there should be some normal testing days days also? I think they try to use all of them and not on the last days because they need to have time to react on the feedback they got from testing. And all this has to be done before the homologation deadline which I don't know but someone from another topic said that it is in the beginning of January. It is only 1.5 months...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Agree, I think with the feedback from Thierry and Ott it is enough to do and it was just an idea but still this can't be ruled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Knowing how much they are behind, do you really think that they would pause the project for at least 1 week? I really can't believe it and I think they have enough personnel for both tasks. They have more people in the team than go to rallies. Or for example do you think that Loriaux will be in Monza?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Extra info: In Estonia, today we had this rally preview where one journalist and two (ex) rally drivers were discussing what is happening in WRC and what will happen the upcoming rally. They said this for sure, that everything is OK with family and no-one has died there and all is OK. They were rather disappointed in the announcement and said it should have been something more believable. Also they thought that the testing was the most probable reason why Ott is absent. This is my personal belief but I think they have some inside info also as this YouTube podcast is sponsored Ott's personal sponsor and as two quests were rally drivers then they also should know something. I think rally drivers talk to each other and something has leaked for sure.
Hyundai Motorsport released a statement confirming the team changes for Rally Monza.
“We have a last-minute change in our crew line-up for ACI Rally Monza,” the statement read. “Sadly, Ott Tänak (and Martin Jarveoja) will be forced to miss the event due to personal family matters. We wish Ott all the best and we can’t wait to see him back in action with the team in 2022 !"
With all the Rally1 testing vids people were starting to wonder if Tanak goes to Monza so Hyundai felt the need to repeat themselves?
Eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But as you have seen Hyundai has been testing the current car all along so they don't have much reserve from the "normal 2021 test days" left. I haven't counted but I would assume Hyundai has already used half of its 30 days for the Rally1 car. If you take the car out five times with three drivers (even Solberg has driven it), it makes 15 days. And good to remember that according to Adamo they did four days of tarmac testing in the summer without any footage surfacing.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Deadline is indeed 1st January 2022, but between Tänak's announcement and Monza they have tested only once, so it doesn't seem like they're in a super big hurry that would require Tänak to skip Monza. Or if they are, those few days wouldn't matter anyway.
Of course a person like Loriaux who has assumedly never worked on the current car has nothing else to work right now than the new car, but I would assume the few main engineers are as important in Monza as in the new car development.Quote:
Knowing how much they are behind, do you really think that they would pause the project for at least 1 week? I really can't believe it and I think they have enough personnel for both tasks. They have more people in the team than go to rallies. Or for example do you think that Loriaux will be in Monza?
Well this is interesting...Quote:
Extra info: In Estonia, today we had this rally preview where one journalist and two (ex) rally drivers were discussing what is happening in WRC and what will happen the upcoming rally. They said this for sure, that everything is OK with family and no-one has died there and all is OK. They were rather disappointed in the announcement and said it should have been something more believable. Also they thought that the testing was the most probable reason why Ott is absent. This is my personal belief but I think they have some inside info also as this YouTube podcast is sponsored Ott's personal sponsor and as two quests were rally drivers then they also should know something. I think rally drivers talk to each other and something has leaked for sure.
Eddie felt the need to repeat old news.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Just to clarify to Eddie, when VW quit at the end of 2016, they didn't announce it beforehand, and same with Ogier/Citroen in 2019. It was all "looking forward to the future" media until one big turnaround.
But then again, this was published today on his sponsor's page. Translated two main questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Q: Already at the beginning of the month, it was announced quite unexpectedly that you would miss the Monza rally for family reasons, which caused a lot of rumors in the rally circles. Would you be willing to talk a little about the background of the decision, or would you prefer to remain mysterious?
Ott Tänak: My goal has never been mysterious, but this situation is related to my family and I am grateful for the understanding of the fans and supporters. Public attention is not appropriate in this situation and we thank all parties for their privacy so far. At the moment, it is important for me to fulfill my responsibilities to my family, but I am still involved in the development of a new car on a daily basis and fully focused on 2022, but in the near future I will do it from home.
Q: How much can you rest before the new season and how much time will take up the development part? There isn't probably testing every week but how will daily or weekly development work look like for you?
OT: From the end of November to Christmas, testing will definitely be a weekly job. During this transition period, you want the month to be at least 70 days long.
This was to confirm Hyundai had no issue with Tanak missing Monza and to clarify that they expect him to return in 2022, not retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
This has nothing to do with Hyundai's own team intentions.