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Third car points does not effect for manufacturer championship... So if Loed drives third car in Monte, win's a rally and Sordo is second, Loed gets 25 points for drivers champ, Sordo gets 18 points for driver and 25 points to manufacturer championship... So it's not a big deal who collect points for Citroen...
lol, that'd be funny, but it's not going to happen. It'd be pointless anyway; Loeb could ignore the orders, and the team can't do anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TG
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Originally Posted by Viking
make Sordo #1, then they get Sordo and Mikko on gravel and Loeb and Sordo on tar
Citroen already decided to have Mikko #1 for 2013 (at least he will drive all events) so Sordo and Loeb have to be #2´s behind Mikko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
Mikko can be the team leader, this is to be expected, Sordo is to do all rounds too I thought? if he is then IMO Sordo as official #1 even though in reality Mikko is team leader will give the team more pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
How this could be possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I don't imagine that Loeb will be entering any event with any intention other than to win, and I'd be equally surprised if the team weren't 100% behind that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Possible if they´ll do like they´ve done recent years with Loeb. If Loeb becomes tourist next year he would never be looked at as a #1 driver. Not even by Citroen, would he?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Will they not let Mikko be WDC next year after letting us know whom will be lead driver next year?
Logically Per what you say should be true, however this is a French team with a 9 times WDC favoured son - they'll do whatever he wants and Mikko will have to put up with it! Until Loeb disappears forever there will be no true no 1 in that team, but if Citroen are not going to be around much longer it doesn't matter to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Well, I think Loeb has won his N1 place in Citroen for all times didn't he? And I suspect also next year he'll do it just for fun, which means he will also not agree to any team orders, Citroen still has work to do with him in WTCC, so I guess they'll just let him go whatever he is up to... and we all know what he is capable of :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
If this turns out to be true, I hope they make better tyres for M sport than those part worn remoulds they gave Ketomaa!Quote:
Originally Posted by leighton323
Sordo, in the Spanish press:
"If I don't win rallies in 2013, I'll go home." I have to add that he has signed a single season.
"It's not decided yet the number of rallies that I will run. It's sure I'm going to run eleven, but the boss, Yves Matton, is working hard so we can do the thirteen of the Championship. And he is putting a lot of effort, so I have high hopes to do a full program".
It's still not sure when he'll start working with the DS3, "because there are some test which me and Del Barrio may not participate in. But in December at the latest we have to start testing for the Monte Carlo Rally".
Being asked if he would like trying to beat Loeb before his retirement, he said: "Yes, I want to fight against him in the rallies we both run and try to win one. Then, as the championship goes, perhaps he who has to slow down to help me and not vice versa, as has happened several times in the past."
"I insist, if I don't win next year, I won't run anymore." Strong commitment.
Wow that shows some balls and I like it!!!!
so Sorso is not fully entrusting within Citroen Racing, as he is not allowed some test. a bit strange or not, if they devellop the car he wil drive in the 2013 WRC trying ot win rallies and championships for Citroen.
what could they be testing that Sordo is not allowed to know about?
Are You sure the reason is not on Prodrive/Mini side?Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Is'nt it more to do with being able to test cars back to back. Ford dont wont to let jml drive the polo for that reason i think. I guess PD dont want the same happening. Stop them driving for a few weeks/month and there old car will develop. so no back to back Comparison.
Someone said here in the forum Latvala is already testing with VW
Yes, he did!Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
So if Ford has nothing to hide and lose from side by side comparison (though I think Latvala can be loyal enough), why should Prodrive has. It is obvious Citroen is the faster car, weird...
I was told by Julian porter in Spain that VW did a back to back test with a mini and the polo was 1/ sec per km slower and they have had a few engine failures, but I suppose it's still early daysQuote:
Originally Posted by "
could be. although they were ful of good words and thanks for Sordo and understanding his choise for Citroen. but behind the scene politcs could keep Prodrive away from Citroen untill 1-1-2013Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I heard Prodrive wasn't happy at all about start of Sordo with Fiesta in Argentina or where it was. Maybe just some rubbish flying around or maybe the relations weren't so nice...Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
As I said earlier. Loeb cannot rule teamorders in a team trying to win WDC and Manu championship if that makes them loose points. No way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
To my mind, those next tests are the gravel ones that Loeb is not very happy to join. I don't think that Prodrive doesn't allow him to start working with Citroen. The circumstances were very different, but he was allowed to the one-off with Ford. Mini should be focused in clarifying a project, Citroen is in another world.
Sordo's first rally on gravel will be on March in Mexico, far away. For developing new parts of the car or whatever, Loeb's work is now more needed than Sordo's. Apart from that, the team needs to adjust the car (seats, pedals, wheel) for the Spanish couple, which takes time.
From Petter Solberg his fanpage on facebook: "Hello everyone.. There seems to be a lot of talk about me retiring via pieces of quotes being compressed in to numerous articles around the web. I wish things moved more quickly, but they do not. Of course my full interest is to be in the WRC and the works seat at M-Sport, but these things take time. We're attempting to figure things out from both sides. IF for some reason nothing happens with this, then I do have other plans, and those plans will have me competing behind the wheel of a race car. Thank you for your concern, and I will keep you updated. I will never stop competing within Motorsports. That's a combination of my passion, and your support!"
That’s hard to believe. It would mean in a rally with 350 km of SS a difference of 5 min 50 sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
I was thinking the same my self just saying what we were told, in that case they would be better off sticking with the fabiaQuote:
Originally Posted by "
Probably that would be in very early phase of development when VW didn't care about the speed that much, but to make strong and reliable car in first place :s pinhead:Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Why would they do a back to back test if they didn't care about speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by "
working in wrc for many years the rumours you hear are always taken with pince of saltQuote:
Originally Posted by OldF
however i have heard from quite a few good people now that ogier is not happy with the performance at this stage !
and he always talking about needing to test more and more
however they do have probably the two drivers that will make the difference
just because a team has big budgets doesnt always mean it gonna win straight out of the box !!!
I can only guess - adjusting the clock anyway with current WRC indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
Ogier probably want exactly this - win at the debut and that's why not happy. However we can only speculate at this point. VW have still 2 months of develop & test until Monte...Quote:
Originally Posted by adr17
We'll see. A lot is said to try and deviate attention from the team ;) . Perhaps they want other teams not to take them into huge consideration from the beggining, but surprise is always an important factor.
I don’t know what kind of driver Ogier is as a test driver but at least he has a good reference point. Can Ogier give the feedback needed to the engineers and can the engineers convert the feedback to setups in a WRC car. They have a lot of experience in Dakar but that could still be a little bit different.
Some time ago Marcus Grönholm told in an interview with “Vauhdin Maailma” that Francois-Xavier Demaison had arranged a test for him with the Polo to have his opinion about the Polo but that didn’t happen due to Marcus accident in Los Angeles.
Probably Senor "El Matador" knows best these things.
Sainz&Ogier good combination for VW. Also JML as a crash test driver. :D
VW suggested not being in the pace at this moment (which I´m sure many of us did believe they were) I think it´s important for Mr Wilson to put up the strongest line of drivers. That includes both Ostberg and Petter. That would really speed up the excitement for 2013!
Kubica confirmed his WRC future in interview today.
Something concrete would be interesting, ERC I hope. Don't think he would do WRC, he's a guy who's starting to win but in WRC he's realistic enough to know he won't do that there.