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This article was published in 8th October. A lot has changed since then, especially when we talk about Ford/M-Sport teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
u should remember he is not good on all countries yet.. so not going to be easy..Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
I'll take that bet!
Ogier is probably the best driver, when you look at speed, consistency... If you see him driving, it's just amazing that he keeps it on the road, on the limit everywhere but he knows where he ends up. But still my bet for the title next year would go to Hirvonen, there may be faster drivers, but he's really consistent, and unlike Latvala, I don't think putting a "N°1" on his door will make him nervous... VW may invest a lot and the car may be good, but you don't make up those +10 years of experience in one year.
Just the day after Rally Catalunya we came over to the first development tests...https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...53061499_n.jpg
I don't think nervousness was the problem first several Rallies. He was just taking it too seriously to beat Loeb beyond his and Ford's limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Nerves and being nervous, even making yourself nervous and not taking it easy for no reason. That's the sole problem with Latvala so far and if this team change would somehow address to this problem, Latvala fans would need to change their view on the world as it wouldn't be the constant fear for the worse all the time anymore. Perhaps a better team meteo would help as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Surely not! This was the man who in Italy was pleased to go a day without spinning!Quote:
Originally Posted by had_zachau
with which car?..Quote:
Originally Posted by had_zachau
I forgot write source of photo. This photo is located on Prokop's fb. So we can guess, if is it dmack testing or other car testing.
Latvala was crashing trying to match loeb. Without Loeb its another story. I put my bet for larvala.. hirvonen!!! Pls he is not a winner we all see that consistent only dont work. U have to wait for latvala or ogier to crash for him to win. Even ostberg is better than mikko.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
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Latvala was crashing even in moments when Loeb was already out.
Maybe Huyndai and D-mack making a joint venture for next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by had_zachau
I'm not trying to convince Latvala is consistent.
I'm just amazed how folks here keep Ogier the next Loeb because he isn't. Fast, yes but no more than Latvala. Consistent, to some point yes, but no more than Hirvonen. Have you all forgot that Ogier has crashed too ??
I don't think a Korean company will want to be using Chinese made Tyres...... owned by the British..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
World Rally Championship - Video - Browse All - Rally Spain: WRC TV
Quite interesting. Crazy helicopter stuff.
In the beginning, yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
But lets watch his last year at WRC: eWRC-results.com - profile Sbastien Ogier
5 victories, 2x 3th, 2x4th
2 retirements: 1 due to engine, 1 due to a crash
2 times Superrally: crash at SS1 of Wales Rally and something in Australia (dont remember).
Not to bad :)
What he has achieved and how Ogier has don/driven this year is why folks (me) are very, very, VERY afraid your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
And how thinks was, isn't necessary how it is, everybody can learn from their mistake (except P.S. maybe).
I hope your right, and i hope J.M.L. can learn too.
Ogier has driven the whole season yes. But has he competed in any rally? No.
Next year the situation is whole different. The competition is on. The speed is on. The RISKS are on. The pressure is on and one thing I'm certain of. He don't want to loose his team-mate. So, if you guys offer me the same specs next year this time, I'm with you. But not until that.
Bear in mind the Super rally in Wales was his 'Loeb is on his own' statement (alledgedly) to Citroen and his performance in winning the power stage was just to rub it in !Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Anyone who has watched Ogier in the Fabia cannot help but admit he is a special talent, trying set ups, perfecting notes but still able to get a stage win and a 4th place. He is special. I am also sure that in a properly managed team that JML will perform to the standard people know he can achieve, wins in Sweden, Finland, New Zealand and Wales are not usually 'gimmes'.
Of course Ogier is special....she have Finnish manager :D
I'm not saying Ogier isn't special and among the fastest if not THE fastest!! Just remember he (still) is mortal, not demi-god. Let's wait till first quarter of next season and check then how the levels ... well, level :)
Sébastie Ogier is very fast driver, but nothing extremely special. PG Andersson with Proton or Breen with Ford were able to do the same times like Ogier (when they wanted, usually they were using tactics for receive points in SWRC), Mikkelsen was also on same speed like Ogier (before he was asked not to push to Ogier)... Good results of Ogier in WRC with S2000 was not mainly because of his speed, but mainly because of quality of his rivals...
The difference is that while those others were sometimes able to make similar times and add some punctures and offs Ogier was always same fast and except one crash always on the road till start to to finish. He did just a fraction of Mikkelsens punctures. That's why he was above them and therefore something special.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Sorry Pluto your analysis is flawed. Don't forget that Ogier was not competing but pushing the set up development. When he chose to put the hammer down he was easily quicker than Mikkelsen and only Paddon approached his speed from the SWRC contestants. Breen and PG were very rarely in the same ball park.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
This is past, and we dont see that in 2013 ... there are coming a lot of problems to the norvegian ...Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
So no news yet on second driver at citroen???
There is no question Ogier is fast and will provide much enjoyment over the coming years in WRC however there is really nothing in his history to suggest he will be the dominant force at all. But he's spectacular and will be great to watch.
Latvalas website have new look etc.
http://www.jmlatvala.com
Surely the Number 1 plate will be reserved for the reigning champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Isn't it motorsport tradition that the '1' is always for the current champion. Mikko and Citroen's other driver will be '2' & '3'.
They gave Rossi '46', Block '43' and the Minis '37' & '52'. So they surely will keep '1' for Loeb, even though he's only doing a handful of events.
I know why Block was 43 (the footwear) but why were the Prodrive Minis 37 & 52?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maui J.
You really don´t know? Car´s is build in your land....
1968 Cooper S Monte Carlo and MINI WRC with Rauno Aaltonen, Paddy Hopkirk, Dani Sordo & Kris Meeke
Paddy 37
Rauno 52
Ok, clearly a gap in my education - but the moment Kris was dropped it ceased to be a British project and reverted to being a BMW hijacking of British heritage. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by T.Maanteiden kuningas
BTW Rauno still has it - as his battle with Dickie Attwood at Goodwood revival demonstrated
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/8...57631638941276
52 was Timo Mäkinen’s number in 1965 Monte which he won.
Paddy Hopkirk had the number 37 when he won in 1964.
A video: Mini Cooper S - 1964, Monte Carlo Rally Winner No.37 . - YouTube
Well not big gap and just a numbers. :)
I ****ed up again. Sorry......Well I didn´t know that thing allso.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Thanks for both lessons from Finland - I still remember the Corgi model I had of Paddy's car when I was 10 *nostalgic sigh|*
I saw a few of you swing by the new web site. Any feedback for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by T.Maanteiden kuningas
<Link removed as I am a newby here and not allowed yet :cool: but it's at jmlatvala dot com....>
we have plenty of feedback but we will talk only to Jari :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JML Media
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