Gryazin? So lets talk about Lukyanuk...
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Gryazin? So lets talk about Lukyanuk...
Unlike Lukyanuk Gryazin has real money. Then again the car repairs cost a lot. Anyway I can surely see him as a possibility for a drive, but not for the first driver spot.
And Gryazin is way younger than Luky
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Gryazin will crash as much as meeke, but without the natural speed.
But pretty sure he will do better than greensmith.
Gryazin no natural speed? With Rovanperä and Solberg under contract, IMO he's the fastest young driver left available. He has shown incredible speed on both tarmac and gravel.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Better is hire sooner as the development can be done by him (Mikkelsen).
Would think Mikkelsen is nr1 at the M-sport list, both fast, done lots of development testing, and bring some RB money.
Paddon is still Hyundai guy, hopefully we see him in a 2C Hyundai this year.
If sordo quit at Hyundai, it is because he is quit rallying.
Loeb, could be interresting at M-sport, but hardly more than some handfull of rallies.
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- the obvious problem is that he either finishes first or crashes. It's like 50/50 chance of both. He even said it in Croatia that he "just drives".Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
- his "natural speed" was completely gone last year in Hyundai. Huttunen in same car was miles ahead and Gryazin was often even slower than Veiby. Sure the i20 probably wasn't the best car, but there is no telling if he won't have similar issues in MSport.
But if you look at his results, he hasn't really achieved anything in WRC2. I would like to bring up Huttunen when talking about the fastest young driver left available, but he often has a different approach than Gryazin, taking it steady and pushing only when needed, bringing the car to the finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Gryazin still needs practice and development to be worth the main class. I would say Huttunen is closer.
Have you seen how many rally's he has done? He has exactly the same amount of starts as rovanpera and solberg combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
He does not have the natural speed of someone like fourmaux. He just has lots of mony to buy him the very best equipment and to do so many rally's he basically lives in the car. Put him in a situation he does not know and he will most likely not be able to adapt quick.
Maybe you're living in a different world, but saying he has no natural speed makes no sense. Especially a few weeks after Rally Croatia, where he was beating both Mikkelsen and Ostberg. Both happen to have factory support and who sit in their Rally2-cars almost weekly for development tests.
No idea why you bring this up, but I still remember what Gryazin showed in Rallye du Var a few years ago. The first day stages were flooded, and he was beating everyone including Loeb who was driving a WRC.Quote:
Put him in a situation he does not know and he will most likely not be able to adapt quick.
@mknight & AnntiL, Fair point bringing up Huttunen, another driver to look out for indeed. Let's hope he gets some proper chance somewhere, as he seems to have little financial support compared to others.
As others pointed out Gryazin has actually much more seat time than anyone else, probably only Neuville and Tanak had more between Arctic and Croatia.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
in WRC2:
Gryazin -2 tarmac raliles (2 days in CZ, 1 in Hungary), dunno about testing before those rallies + test before Croatia
Østberg - 1 day rally in Hungary, 1 day? development test in France
Mikkelsen - 3 day test before Croatia
Suninen - 2? day test before Croatia
But I agree that he certainly has speed.
With regards to "beating" anyone, he led WRC2 for 2 stages before his first mistake and his results from Croatia is exactly 0. While the PowerSteering wasn't his fault the other 5+ moments including crash were.
Gryazin test a lot. Some times with two cars at same time. Crazy.
Have you ever noticed that the richest kids usually seem te be the fastest in the lower categories?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
And have you noticed that none of the rich kids has been able to beat the poor discovered talents like loeb or ogier?
Money can buy you experience, and experience can make up for a lot of talent. But at the highest level money suddenly becomes useless.
Mikkelsen and ostberg are the same as gryazin, they got into the wrc because of their money instead of their raw talent.
And that's why they are no longer in the wrc, they couldn't make the final step to actually fight to be champion. They are good nr2 drivers who might eventually win a few rallies, but if they face real talented competition they will never be world champion.
Thats why i still have doubt by rovanpera or solberg. They got so far due to their father, now it's up to them to make the final most difficult step.
We'll have to wait and see to find out who will be the future champions.
Talents like Grönholm, Loeb, Ogier or Tänak are something that we get only about one per decade. Meanwhile, the "best of the rich kids" like Latvala, Hirvonen, Mikkelsen etc. got often very close to those extraordinary talents. At the same time there's many "rich kids" who end up being Matthew Wilson or Gus Greensmith.
And if we compare the progress of Rovanperä and Solberg to the likes of Mikkelsen and Latvala, it's already different, they have been fast in the lower classes and fast on their top class debuts. In the end it's down to luck whether they will be champions or not. And also who they are driving against.
Well I share denkimi's doubts about whether Solberg (he only ever won one rally with R5 in different categories) and Rovanpera (slower gravel) can be regular championship competitors.
(It's also problematic to compare them with Latvala or Mikkelsen when these basically started first rallies in a WRC car since that was the "way" to WRC for "rich kids" those days. Today the normal way is Rally2 (Gryazin, Veiby ...._).The rich kid Mikkelsen got to paid WRC drive by winning IRC two years in a row btw. ..anyway that's a digression.)
But I find it weird how much hostility there is against drivers who are not Ogier or Loeb. Anyone who can regularly compete on podium and win some rallies totally "deserves" to be in WRC no matter how they got there. There is a rather big difference in performance between those drivers and guys like Matthew Wilson or A. Warmbold.
As AnntiL correctly points out it's also a lot about "luck" in whom you compete with and in what car:
Hirvonen was really close to beating Loeb for example. Latvala could have easily been a champion were it not for Ogier.
Recently Tanak and Evans are perfect examples. If Tanak went to Hyundai from 2018 would he be getting mentioned in same sentence with Ogier these days? I doubt it....or what if he went to Citroen and ended like Lappi after 2019?
Similarly Evans was considered "almost" guy and many people saw him out of WRC at end of 2018 when he did one good rally while Ogier won championship in same car. Then imagine if for example in Monza the temperature on that Saturday stage was 1 degree warmer and snow would melt instead of staying on the road... he would be champion. Is that one crash difference (Evans, Hirvonen) all that it takes for them to be "unworthy"?
FerGus Greensmith is great example that even with money you can´t buy titles in lower classes.
I think in the lower categories, sometimes the so called rich kids can look fast because they can afford to push harder in the knowledge that they can afford to fix the car if they crash.
That said, being a rich kid doesn’t preclude them from being very good in their own right and plenty of them have become very effective drivers.
Just because someone comes from money doesn’t mean they aren’t at the very top level, not WRC but Senna came from money but isn’t talked about as a rich kid.
For the likes of Grayzin, his advantage is the seat time he gets, which in modern motorsport is very rare. That advantage could see him become a very good level driver through practice alone.
Some rumours about Stellantis (Lanca/FCA/PSA) will be back to wrc again.
Not with Citröen, but one of the other brands.
So: Peugeot, Opel, Fiat, Lancia?
Lancia back to WRC? Would been nice.
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Lancia would make sense only if they would like to completely reset to brand, and I don't think that would happen. My random guess is Opel with their Mokka
Peugeot has begun releasing cars under a performance PSE badge, starting with a hybrid wagon. I'd wager it is the most likely candidate.
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Does Mitsubishi relaunch the Ralliart brand?
https://oltnews.com/mitsubishi-relau...brand-in-japan
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2021/05/11/mitsubishis-rally-winning-ralliart-brand-to-make-timely-comeback/
“ For customers who wish to experience our Mitsubishi-ness, we will launch custom-made accessories for our model lineup as well as re-entering motorsport events around the world,” said Mitsubishi CEO Takao Kato.”
“ According to the silhouettes of the futuristic vehicles seen in slides shown during its presentation, the firm inferred that its return to motorsport would be in SUVs and crossovers from 2023. And given that the brand is putting millions of development dollars into plug-in hybrids and electric powertrains, we can expect the upcoming rally machines to all be electrified. With their history of podium-grabbing performance and industry-leading 4WD powertrains, Ralliart should make a serious splash when they return in around two years time.”
Isn't Lancia brand dead?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
I can imagine a return to Dakar for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
Or joining Extreme-EQuote:
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Isn't Extreme-E one make series?Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
No, they have a facelifted ypsilon as 2021 modell.Quote:
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But together with those other brands, some shared modells is on its way?
Dirthfish wroted about a chinese manu interested i wrc this morning, but who knows?
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Yes but Hummer and Cupra are each fielding teams. Slap on a Mitsubishi badge and they can preach about all the good work they’re doing by racing EVsQuote:
Originally Posted by Franky
what?
If you were Norwegian you would know more... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
Yes... But they will probably open up the engines for the manufacturers to develop like they did in Formula-E. Right now they have Jaguar, for example. Engine and stickers but spec batteries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
I can see Ralliart joining Extreme-E and this is going to be terrible for WRC. Btw, isnt Subaru releasing its new Electric SUV? Im SURE Alejandro Agag was knocking on their doors since last year... Same for Mitsubishi! And it should be WRC knocking on their doors and really discussing "how can we have you guys back in the biggest car motorsport after F1?"
Im gonna be really sad if subaru and/or Mitsubishi goes to Extreme-E.
WRC needa to step up its game. Idk how or what, but I dont want to see a huge championship losing to the new kid again just because the older guys dont know how to improve its marketing.
(Yes, it was sad to see audi, porsche, jaguar, venturi, mahindra, psa, penske, nissan heading F-E not F1 because of their marketing)
It´ll be nice to see that that rumour about comeback of brand with Pleiades in logo is true indeed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Emil Lindholm
@Emil_Lindholm
Pre-event tests for @rallydeportugal
underway with my new co-driver. Welcome to the team @ReetaHmlinen!
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Any relation to Kyösti Hämäläinen?
They'd have to use a Toyota at this point, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by kure91
I haven't heard so. Hämäläinen is a very common surname.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
With the spaceframe regulations they can use any car they want to make their Rally1 machine. No need to re-badge the GR Yaris as a SubaruQuote:
Originally Posted by Gregor-y
Green washing !!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Why using what we can eat as fuel !! And what kind and amount of energy to produce this e-fuel ?
By what magic will combustion no longer release CO2 ?
Well nowadays all the stupid morons believe everything that the media/marketing tell them without question, so no wonder!Quote:
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