Sordo, Loeb, Ogier and Meeke also do their own deals, so It's not so uncommon
https://parcferme.no/rally/derfor-ve...-a-skille-lag/
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Sordo, Loeb, Ogier and Meeke also do their own deals, so It's not so uncommon
https://parcferme.no/rally/derfor-ve...-a-skille-lag/
now in the same team these two, will be interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eycSaPRb5CU
they got it finally
https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...12&oe=5E8ADDC8
And Mikkelsen remains 4th in the championship
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I’m pleased for Hyundai that they won the title.
They have put a huge effort and budget in and especially over the last 3 years have been right in the fight, so to come away with nothing over those 3 years would be rough.
Of course would have been good for them to win it on the stages, but the fires aren’t down to them.
They won it on the stages. Others had 13 rallies time to get more points.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
Deserved title after many years of trying, congratulations!
this guy is satisfied :D....and rightly so, first year in the team and delivered right away.
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Adamo explains in the video about negotiations with Tänak (there was not as big money involved nor private jets etc as media tried to show) and how he will manage Tänak and Neuville in the same team.
google translate the text, the main things are there, the video is just a short part of it.
When asked how many mechanics Tänak is going to bring from Toyota to Hyundai, Adamo said that Tänak was coming to Hyundai with Martin Järveoja. What about the weather forecaster, for example? "I don't know. If it's a beautiful woman on TV, maybe," laughed Adamo. "But we haven't talked about it. We had difficult enough negotiations to get him, so we haven't talked about the others."
Bluuuford it seems you will have hard time getting into the team then :D
Somehow funny that the car on the left has brought 0 manu points.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
There were four Hyundai WRCs at the service park this week!
Obviously Hyundai has to celebrate with the cars and team people that are there. So it's not like they did anything wrong on that part.
Doesn't make it less funny though.
This Neuville and (or vs) Tänak still feels weird.
Neuville is too happy to have Tänak in the team. Or we should take it as "Tänak is removed from competition for drivers title"?
Why so - Hyundai seems (for me) to be complicated car to adopt. Tänak can be however master and fast, but this car is built around Neuville and to adapt that by someone else takes time. During that time, Neuville may (or must) have some solid points lead on drivers scoreboard. At the same time it does not make sense to let them compete with each other because it give points to Ogier (or whoever is able to step up to this fight).
So far I can not really imagine none of them to swallow team orders with sentence "he is faster than you". It seems explosive.
I agree, but for Adamo, having them both is clearly the best option. If anything it keeps them from driving for others.
That means that Neuville is convinced that he has a better chance against tanak in the same car than against tanak in the toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Which means he believes the toyota is the better car.
he couldnt said something else.Of course he had to welcome Tanak at hyundai,and that he havent got problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
First 2-3 rallies will be very critical for the next of championship among these 2.
Example...Neuville faster,but with one retirement maybe 25 points behind Tanak after 3 rallies.
At this point Adamo will give the orders,specially if Ogier is between these two at point table.
One for Monday VIP drive probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
One of the journos or commentators was saying that Neuville sincerely believes he is the best driver in WRC.
This is why he's happy that Tanak has come to Hyundai, as with the same equipment Neuville is sure he will be the fastest.
We know how reliable they all are...
I don't think you can really give team orders after 2/3 events to two drivers like Neuville and Tanak.
They have had numerous close battles over the last few years, and both now know how to drive very fast and stay on the road. They both know with the championship battles being so close, going off the road is a mini disaster and clearly not in eithers interest. If you start telling Neuville to drive like a bitch and not push, you've lost him. If come the 2nd part of the season one driver is clearly ahead of the other, then you will get team orders, but don't expect any team orders early on if both drivers are running at the front at the time and in a close fight.
Also, Hyundai shouldn't even need team orders because they have 2 of the top 3 drivers - so they should walk the manufacturers championship - and that's without mentioning the great insurance of having Sordo and Loeb with generally great road position in most events as backup.
Hyundai wanted two top drivers in their team to fight for the title back in 2017 when they hired Mikkelsen for 18/19, but Hyundai, Mikkelsen and a lot of people on here didnt expect him to fail so badly and offer no challenge to Neuville whatsoever.
This example actually demonstrates the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
As you said Hyundai were (based on the 3 2017 outings in I20) expecting that Mikkelsen would fight for championship. So he was allowed to push on start of the season and this resulted in him taking points off Neuville in Sweden Power Stage. (and both him and Sordo took points off Neuville in Mexico right after)
Sure it was just one point in Sweden, but by the end of the season Neuville was very vocal that Hyundai needs to use teamorders immediately from the start. Ogier got teamorders that helped him move ahead of Evans already early in Sweden (and then a few times later on).
So based on Neuvilles and Tanaks results so far it is entirely likely that they will get free reign at the start... and potentially take points off each other that will help Ogier get a title.
EDIT: Btw. Neuville did get a lot of team order help this year already starting from Sweden, with basically no Hyundai being allowed to push on any PS unless there were special circumstances and also given a position multiple times.
In 2017 a measly point or two in a power stage wasn't the reason Neuville lost the title though. He chucked away over 50pts when in commanding leads in Monte and Sweden. The only person to blame for losing that title was Neuville himself - not the car and not his team mates taking one or two points from him in the power stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I envisage some tension at points between Tanak/Neuville and Adamo, but it should be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because the manufacturers title is already won in all likelihood. Look at the difference in points between the top 3 drivers and then the next batch of drivers....., if you have Tanak and Neuville in the same team they could win the manufacturers title even with Sheikh Khalid in the 3rd car (no offence to him). But they have the GOAT and an in form Sordo as backup...
The only hope for any other team is if Lappi steps up massively + Ostberg does a few events and the C3s upgrades work brilliantly. Or if Toyotas drivers suddenly make a huge step up to become genuine championship challengers (which I cant see happening next year with Evans, Meeke or Latvala if he stays. Certainly Kalle won't in his 1st season).
As for the drivers title, I agree Tanak and Neuville could maybe work against eachother vs Ogier, but that's the risk Adamo has to manage. It certainly is an easier risk to live with when one title should already be in the bag
depents from the situation,if Adamo see that he has to give orders to protect his manufacture chances,he will do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Thats why they pay him.
This was in 2018 a few points actually mattered a lit cause it meant Neuville had to finish ahead of Ogier in Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
But sure rest is spot on. It can mean Adamo has maybe a little bit higher risk of loosing driver title to Ogier but it should mean manu title is decided...
But you never know for sure. Hyundai did look like by far the biggest favourites for 2017 manu title as well and actually did have the fastest car most of the year, yet MSport won it with rallies to spare.
Oh yeah you're right, got the seasons mixed up there. Will be interesting to see how it pans out, I think the biggest issue Adamo might have is managing the one out of Neuville/Tanak who is getting beaten by his team mate and/or has poor results (for their high standards).Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Both can be stroppy and very demanding, both will believe before the season starts they are the best driver in the world, both aren't great losers and both will want to try and make themselves #1 in the team. Now they have no hiding place when it comes to direct comparison.
Adamo has to ensure both remain mentally strong and focused, and prevent any wars from blowing up. I maybe wrong but I don't think Neuville and Tanak particularly like eachother on top of all that, in fact there's been rumours/hints for years that Neuville isn't the most popular among other drivers or easy to get along with (not a criticism, I'm sure he doesn't give a shit what his competitors think).
There have been also talks, that after the rallies, chilling and drinking bear, Neuville is a really nice chap...go figure.
Yes he is. Seen that twice in Sardinia, so is Sordo and Meeke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
How can you chill if you are drinking a bear at the same time ? :p
YLE is suggesting that:
Jari-Matti Latvala would drive 3rd Hyundai in Sweden and Finland.
Have to say that: He would be the BEST choice for those 2 rallies.
So next speculation topic is about TGR former lineup ending in Hyundai one way or the other?
:D
could be ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Adamo and JML psychology... that could indeed only work with 6 months between the rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
This is not so far from my suggestion of Lappi. Lappi actually has better results to show from these rallies than Latvala in the last season and in my opinion he would be capable of taking on a full-time car and fighting for rally wins in the foreseeable future.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
What about this. Qassimi in a third car and "steal" a seat for those 4 rallies just to troll. I mean he have the most powerful CV in his hands.
Congratulations on 2 consecutive manufacturer titles
sometimes i wish there would be "unlike" button as well
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...8zUm1zwClZbQbU
Seems like a "B" team for Breen and Mikkelsen.
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But don't get your hopes up, it could still be a one car rotating team. Remember, the new rule with manufacturer "second" entries mentioned one car teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
I hear it will be more like Latvala where Hyundai will bring in Breen and or Mikkelsen for specific events. I hope so....Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL