new video with Meekes 2nd roll.They are lucky they didn't hurt.
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new video with Meekes 2nd roll.They are lucky they didn't hurt.
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Analog to their road cars Citroens' rally cars these days may be dull, slow and have rubbish handling but they are very safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
insane moment with Meeke,that we haven't see.
https://www.facebook.com/atkarlip1/p...80794005495112
That's from the first stage and the onboard that was posted here, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
That car really likes gymnasticsQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
don't know,but I d like to see more cars from this point,to see how they behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
edit at French forum said is from stage 2 about 1km from start.
#7
Meeke Kris - Nagle Paul
"The only stage in the loop where we'll get some cleaning. A big moment on a big bump near the start - it just launched the car. Otherwise a good stage." Meeke's team-mate Craig Breen reports a similar incident.
meeke was in second before first off, and set fastest times before second off. The car works, but has a tendency to behave weird over some bumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Meekes second off was complete driver error in my opinion, way too wide into the corner. Meeke will either win it or bin it.
That's fine, but my original post was that starting order is over hyped. No miracles will happen if someone starts 10th first day, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
If you watch onboard from same spot Neuville's car behaves very much the same, even though he brakes down a little bit. Meeke is almost flat-out. Ogier's doesn't really lift cause he brakes before the dip and adjusts the line slightly.
Meeke's first roll is in many ways the same. His, Breen's and Neuville's and a few other cars start flying, Latvala and Sordo's don't cause they avoid it.
So if C3 is "bad" then I20 is "bad" in very much the same way and just won the rally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQj7zyLtHog
As I have mentioned during the Swedish Rally, the C3 has exactly the same quirk as the C4.Lifting up the front under acceleration and during jumps.Its probably a case of the French thinking that because that thing worked back then, why won't it now?
You know nothing about internal problems Citroen having with the C3. Thats a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
"We have the capacity to achieve our target, i.e. win the rally", commented Yves Matton, Citroën Racing Team Principal. "Kris recorded a series of fastest and second fastest times, which illustrates that the C3 WRC has the necessary pace. Similarly, Craig's times on Sunday's leg – right in the middle of the fight for the overall win – provide further confirmation of this. And yet, we haven't managed to turn that pace into a good result here. Since the start of the season, we've paid a very heavy price each time there have been obstacles in our path. We are going to keep working hard and not give up, because we are convinced that our efforts will eventually start paying off. Our approach will remain aggressive: rather than aiming for a result in the World Championship, we want to win rallies and that means a certain level of risk-taking."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Among the few pleasing aspects of the weekend, the great job done by the mechanics came top of the list. The repairs done to Kris Meeke's C3 WRC after his off on Friday will go down as one of the great feats of the Red Army's technical team. "Our mechanics have undoubtedly formed the best rally team for the last fifteen years," emphasised Yves Matton. "They worked tirelessly to repair the car, which was obviously back in perfect condition since Kris scored two stage wins on Saturday. So it's sad that their commitment and hard work weren't more generously rewarded. It's always a shame to lose a car that has restarted under Rally2 rules to another off."
Citroën Racing Media Report
Is that an automatic translation or does Citroen really call it's mechanics the Red Army?
Maybe the car doesn't have enough downforce on the front end. Every other manufacturer chooses a more box design wheel arch, kind of reminiscent of group b. Citroen started out that way with the c3 but changed wheel arch design later in development. All other cars look more aero aggressive, Citroen looks to have good aero at the rear but not so much at front, maybe making the car unstable over bumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
That's true, never claimed otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
What is also a fact is that on the two bumps it behaves similarly to I20. The small differences can be down to the different observed speed, braking and/or setup. It's not like the car behaves entirely different.
i havent watched the onboards yet but someone in estonian forum said that Tänak took the same line as Meeke in SS2 but was 17km/h slower there, perhaps this is the difference between crashing and not? im just guessing not a specialist
Words from Matton (eventually) are less than convincing. Anything yet from Meeke ?
I think it's clear it was a serious accident and both Kris and Paul had their bell rung a bit. Lucky boys. Would guess they've been having medical checks. Maybe an overnight in hospital. Not sure - https://www.instagram.com/p/BTj4k7Yl...rismeeke&hl=enQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
What are you looking for them to say?
I'm not, thats the point. They cant say much after another big off as he will either blame the car or himself and neither will be beneficial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Aye. I genuinely just think they are happy to be okay after that one. They are lucky too there weren't larger protruding rocks and things like that. May take some time to get back up to speed in Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I'm guessing Vatanen's crash in 1985 was of the same scale, but the cars are a lot safer these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Here we go - full Meeke interview: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...y-biggest-ever
I don't think there is such specialist that can determine what actually caused the incident. Speed is not the only factor here, and comparing what other drivers did also doesn't mean much. It could very well be unique and unpredictable sequence of events that triggered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
If you know something why don't you share with us?Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
It did not roll 14 times. 6 or 7 full rolls and a half on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
So Meeke basically just said that this was his biggest ever crash but they were uninjured... so that's alright then !
He seems to have become the new Colin McCrash... Krash Meeke.
Can he really carry on like this, only finishing about 1 rally in 4 ?
Nope but if he continues like this he will find himself in retirement sooner than expected...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Ott Tanak at the end of rally:
"We all know that maybe sometimes Thierry is not the smartest guy (laughs). Normally he does not go very safe so it is not easy to close the gap with him..."
http://www.fia.com/news/wrc-tneuvill...pretty-amazing
Tbf he'd have had two wins in a row this season if it wasn't for the engine blowing up in Corsica, and I'm pretty sure he will win at least one of the next two or three rallies as well. The reality is that Citroen have no championship ambitions this season, they said before the year started that they wanted to win some rallies and prepare for a full on championship assault in 2018. The biggest problem people have had is having too high expectations for Meeke at the start of the year. He'll be really quick, he'll probably be in the top two or three drivers at the end of the year in terms of total wins, and he'll also crash and retire a lot. It's hardly unexpected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Citroën's plan sadly didn't alter even with VW withdrawing, but Lefebvre won't be there next year so you'll see one of Andreas or Ogier in that team alongside Meeke and Breen imo. And hopefully next year after collecting all the data from this year's rallies and learning from their mistakes, Citroen will solve the set up issues that hampered them in Monte and Sweden, fix the few small reliability issues they've had and be able to maximise the potential of the car they've built. I still think that the C3 has the highest ceiling out of all the cars, and when the set up is right it's the quickest. In basically every test video we see the car looks rapid and the most impressive but they can't seem to translate that speed in testing to actual rally conditions.
Videos don`t tell us anything about the performance. You can`t measure 0,... s/km losses etc from a video, that is probably made from many different clips and on a short road that they drive for the whole day. And also there`s the truth that what is spectacular to watch and seems quick, isn`t normally the fastest way. I don`t say they have a bad car, but also nothing to brag with. They took a whole year to build and test that car and apart from Meeke`s crazy driving (which on a good day has brought him victories but sadly too oftenly ended with tears) they are still last. We also don`t know what would have happened in Corsica if the engine hadn`t failed.
well...i followed argentina closely and like many have said before, i really enjoyed the battle between Evans and Neuville. In all honesty i wanted each to win for different reasons; Evan's first victory, Neuville's championship chase. Special mention goes to Latvala, Tanak, Ogier and Breen, they all had problems but tried their best to manage them. It looks like Latvala, Tanak and Neuville are maturing and understanding that if things are not going according to plan that its still important to gather points for both the driver's and manufacturer's championships...hopefully by mentioning that i did not jinx them lol.
with regards to Meeke, i hold my thoughts for now until things settle, what i will say is that i'm glad both him and Paul were not hurt as that's most important.
very well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Then... Jesus Christ, KrashQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Really? Meeke was 4 out of 4 times on TOP3 fastest stage times on Saturday and 2 of 4 fastest times!Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
You don't follow the discussion, I'm not going to continue it. I was talking about the start order on Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Can you be a big more constructive, instead of harping on like a tabloid newspaper?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Monte - Car setup to low
Sweden - Diff Issue
Mexico - Win
Corsica - Leading, engine
Argentina - 2nd till going off, suspected damper issue, own accident etc etc etc.
I'd rather have his record that some others.
I was just look at onboard from Meeke ss14, after reading his Autosport article today, where he said he turned in and the car understeered, you can see at 200kph the front of the car was 'wagging' from side to side at 200kph, as if it had no enough front down force?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big Meeke supporter. But you can only make so many excuses. It is possible to have a diff or a damper/set up issue and not destroy your car.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017