plus Juan.. vinna eller försvinna -----win or disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
One thing for sure, Latvala knows he can go faster... belief in yourself is critical. Knowing is better.
It ain't over till November.
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plus Juan.. vinna eller försvinna -----win or disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
One thing for sure, Latvala knows he can go faster... belief in yourself is critical. Knowing is better.
It ain't over till November.
I just noticed that Tänak missed his first ever powerstage point by around 0.06 seconds :-) And without that 10 second penalty that he took to let Solberg and Latvala pass him on Day 1 he would have been 1.1 seconds behind Ostberg (both had one puncture). I am looking forward to further fights between these two in 2012 :-)
Nothing? What about competing? On the 1983 1000 Lakes, Vatanen and Toivonen knew they couldn't really win in Manta 400s against the Quattros and 037s, yet they put on one of the most spectacular, exciting displays you could ever imagine. Both cars broke. By your reasoning, they should have just cruised round for a finish. Motorsport — sport in general — would be little without people giving it their all for, in the end, no reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by userwave
Calm down a little. He can fight with Neuville but Novikov is far away for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
then why not just fill the sport with "show people" like Ken Block who please crowds by selling logo's to kids and putting on drift and jump shows then?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by userwave
To say the title is out of reach for JML, this early on, is a bit premature. I too am curious about what the on board will show regarding the car avoidance. With that, however, it's an up hill battle from here.
It's hard for me to believe that he was given the go to push, and it's hard for me to believe that's what JML would do considering the lessons he's learned over the years. It's silly considering the circumstances and points at stake. Sacrifice a guaranteed chunk of drivers points and manufacturers points, behind over a minute from second, chasing a very consistant mikko? Come on. Doesn't make sense. Get the points, get out of there, get a kiss from your lady and fight again in Portugal while you're still only a few jabs away from contention.
You're comparing Latvala and Block? That's like comparing a F1 car with a bicycle, both have wheels.Quote:
Originally Posted by userwave
WRC needs drivers who are ready to push and risk binning it, not do a solid drive and end up on a second place.
Now imagine this. The same 54km stage broadcasted live on TV. One version is what we saw today (everyone playing it safe), but remove the risky drive from Latvala - it would make it too interesting. The second version is where there are at least three drivers going flat out on such a long stage, second-in-second race. Now tell me, which is more attractive to the audience. If you say the first, then we might as well flush WRC as a sport down the toilet.
Worse than that, he was actually comparing Vatanen and Toivonen with Block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
For the ones who don't have twitter, a tweet of Hirvonen: "Really happy with 2nd, wasn't able to challenge Seb but getting hang of car on gravel, going to be a good year, i can feel it... tequila!" It's a funny guy. And I think he's right. That Citroën is so much better than the Ford (only not on ice).
hmmmm... so far this year i think the cars do not have have any difference...apart from the drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Luijk
Latvala seems to be quite fast, same goes for Loeb....
The fiesta is one hell of a car, make no mistake.
I think there is not much difference in the cars as some think. Hirvonnen finished very well but his pace isn't much improved from last year, perhaps it's just Latvala who can't control himself.
As Vatanen once said "Life isn't about the perfect results, that's boring".Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Novikov crash is on WRC.com and it was quite a big one.
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
no i do, was just trying to create some scandal :)
What? Who? Where :-) Did I missed something?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
More than anyone Latvala feels bad.....
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http://distilleryimage4.instagram.co...3817987b_7.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
In all fairness, the difference between Vatanen at the 83' 1000 lakes, and Latvala at 12' Mexico is that Vatanen wasn't in contention - that i know of - to begin with, he had nothing to lose. Latvala was running strong to start, had issues, then fought back again with a comfortable podium finish spot, with no chance of catching Mikko, unless it was handed to him with drama.
Yeah, every time I see a vid or photo of JML after a fumble I feel bad for him. The kid has wicked heart and puts a lot of pressure on himself to succeed. Definitely world champ one day.
With all the bits missing they might save some money on the return airfreight bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
external view.....
quite a crash...
i apologise if they have the video in wrc.com i cannot view wrc.com videos..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0H7Q3pZics
Ahaa..that is why his GPS dot litterally disappeared from the map. Seems that the GPS transmitter was practically destroyed.
I agree on the car thing. EVERY single part must be shown on the Homologation forms. Dimensions, sizes, lengths, weights.... And so many parts or modifications are very strictly limited t.ex, wheelhousing dimensions, wheel size/width, and more than that, EVERYBODY probably has a very good idea of the set ups---you boys don't think that they don't study and analyze the others? I was only local clubbie type guy in rally and I looked at everything I could on "works" cars, still do to this day .Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
In any case the differences after 4 hours are mere hundredths of 1 % between the drivers who are real drivers (and not tourists, or Inter-net Stars).
Think what you're saying when you say "The Citroen IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much better!
And yet Seb Baby only beats everybody by less than 1%??
No no no. Pobrecito por pobre Latvala today. He went a little crazy. It happens.... He knows how to go fast and has to ---sheet I don't know the word in my own mother tongue...hålla i eller behärska sig lite....
I really don't think you guys who have never been really high level drivers ---or riders---know how hard it is to hold back...
Self consciousness/awareness----when driving really hard or focusing really hard, can break the concentration.. We've all seen people make mistakes too, even when cruising.. (I cannot say how many times I had fingers, toes, teeth, nose etc broken from rocks or impact when I was a high level racers (moto-cross) and not even been aware till I pull up to the service rig and somebody points out blood on my shirt or gloves...then its "Oh, that's odd...."
"everybody knows how they could have saved the ship.......
once it sank" old Italian Proverb.
Novikov had broken the roof went completely earlier on the stage and the car was full of dust, maybe he was distracted because of that.
There was no triangle or warning when Latvala arrived to the place... Well, I haven't seen the onboards of the seven cars which passed the place prior to Latvala, maybe they also didn't have warning and had no problems. JM just happened to get scared because of Novikov's car, braked which caused him to slide off the line and we all know what then happened.
I would never do group Lotto with JM... :D
Sure if it was the start of the rally i would agree with you, but not when there is only three stages remaning. If Loeb or Hirvononen would suffer a break down orQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
a flat, i am sure that Latvala would be able to catch them anyway.
But do you consider it worth risking everything for such small difference in points. If JML had secured 3rd he would mist likely
have won the ps and in that case scored the same points as 2nd place would have given him.
You get wrong picture from this quote. It wasn't that "far away". The second you see Novikov's car from the onboard video, the next second Latvala's car had hit the bank and rolled. There really wasn't time for pondering the options, yet I'm not saying that it wasn't JML's fault he ended with zero points. Many cars had passed Novikov's car before JML. Though, hitting a car on the road is something every competitor wants to avoid. Latvala hardly saw Novikov's car when he approached, but only a car. Still - no need to explain when the **** had already hit the fan (both proverbial and literal).Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
Looks like Latvala is now making a record in a sequence of DNFs and wins. Bring on Portugal!
Amateur shots of Novikov's and Latvala's crashes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPLU20C05Tc
Both lost the rear to the same place, hit the bank and rolled. He didn't need or have to take avoiding action, because he hadn't even got out of the fast corner in shape to reach the next left corner which was Novikov's car on the sideroad.
The main thing of course, is that if he was warned by Giraudet earlier because it seems he was still going quite fast. Although if you sum-up all the quotes after Latvala probably got panicked.
Official powerstage times:
http://www.rallymexico.com/files/rep...ower_Stage.pdf
I seriously doubt that. He has done 85 rallies in a WRC car but has only won 6 events where most of them were down to road position or speciel events like Sweden or Finland. Despite so many years in the sport he is not a proven consistent winner and he continues to make rookie judgement errors like yesterday (everybody in here could tell that was he was doing was stupid).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gherid_lacksGPS
And when he is fast he crashes, and when he is not fast he doesn't win. That combo doesn't win chanpionships...
Not the way to win a Championship – he had a safe 3rd place in his pocket. Just get to the finish and take the points. When Loeb knows he can’t win, he accepts it and drives accordingly.....hence the 8 WRC Titles.
For all his faults, even McRae drove with more brains than this.
I was there, live. I can verify what they did. It was amazing watching them!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
About JML abrupt cancellation from the rally. Does FIA do active scrutineering during the rally? Wasn´t it FIA who forbid JML to continue? Or am I wrong in this matter?
There are often FIA officials at stage ends to do quick checks of the cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
In the case of this very long stage, they were probably there for safety reasons, to make sure no-one was re-entering the public highways with shabby, unroadworthy tyres, bits hanging off etc..
Fun facts from the press conference
Jarmo Lehtinen: Fifty-three pages of notes on the long stage
Daniel Elena commented 51 pages and Chris Patterson 96!
Chris Patterson "Ninety-six pages! I just keep reading them to the finish and hope I get there before Petter!"
Petter for sure want more details in his notes than most else...
"Right, tightens, 200, crest, look at that view, left, opens, beautiful brickwall to the right, those flowers need watering, 300, crest......"Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Hilarious comment. That one will be a classicQuote:
Originally Posted by Viking
just as(s) an example, not easy to get it all rightQuote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
should have been, 5 left, full moon, tightens...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGCR9...eature=related