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20th January 2011, 16:52
N.O.T

I want delecour to win....since the rally is not decided by driving but by lucky choices its good to see the old dog on top !!!
20th January 2011, 16:54
Tom206wrc

News Andrea Crugnola SS8 ??? :confused:
Michaël Burri leading 2WD with DS3 ??? :D

Edit: Burri leading ahead of Poutot and Campana in the 2WD ;)
20th January 2011, 16:56
Halvis

I must say I don't share the reporters and several forum members exitement about this particular Monte rally, I agree it's great with live coverage, but raging about how fantastic it is to watch the cars slide everywhere without grip is not my idea of good rally. There will always be an elements of tyre choices, but this was simply parodic, IMO.
20th January 2011, 16:57
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by René

Between Juho and Petter I think the mistake is not to have chosen tyres according with situation weather, but to copy the choice of other one and as it was an big error.

Seems like that Rene.
20th January 2011, 16:57
pettersolberg29

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

I want delecour to win....since the rally is not decided by driving but by lucky choices its good to see the old dog on top !!!

A quick sentimental post from me...
Does anyone else find all the IRC drivers likeable? Despite being a fan of Petter and Andreas, I'd be happy for Bouffier, Delecour, Sarrazin, Loix, Wilks, Juho or anyone to win as everyone seems nice, down to earth etc. In the WRC it's not like this. Sordo and Loeb are dull and dislikable, as is Mikko. Wilson, Kimi and Al-Qassami are always miserable and rubbish. Only the Solbergs, JML and dare I say Block have any personality or likeability. Whereas in this Monte rally I'm just happy to see anyone win!
20th January 2011, 17:00
N.O.T

its always like that with b-class championships everywhere in every sport....less stress on them so its normal to be more relaxed.
20th January 2011, 17:00
AndyRAC

The Monte has always been like that - it's just that this is the first time we've seen it played out live on TV....
20th January 2011, 17:03
N.O.T

last year was also live
20th January 2011, 17:10
AndyRAC

Yeah, so was 2009, but this is the first time we've seen a huge turnaround in the leaderboard. The Monte is famous for it stories of tyre lottery choices - and we've just witnessed it.
20th January 2011, 17:10
René

At the same time it is necessary to congratulate all these drivers which control their cars in these terrible conditions with unadapted tyres on these dangerous roads.... Low hat sirs
20th January 2011, 17:12
Mise

Did Juho say that he had one snow tyre in front and the other in back.
And of course one intermedium front and the other in back.
They had the same tyres with Solberg and still the gab was 30 secs.
20th January 2011, 17:14
dimviii

Also Amaxopoulos Dimitris with rented ds3 is going well for his first Monte
20th January 2011, 17:23
dimviii

Raoux with clio r3 is 7th fastest at ss lol
20th January 2011, 17:25
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halvis

I must say I don't share the reporters and several forum members exitement about this particular Monte rally, I agree it's great with live coverage, but raging about how fantastic it is to watch the cars slide everywhere without grip is not my idea of good rally. There will always be an elements of tyre choices, but this was simply parodic, IMO.

Only the last 2 stages turned this way. Up until then we had a great battle for the first few places, now we have a different one. Tyre choice is all part of the game.

Maybe I'm being cynical but are you sure your dislike doesn't have a little bit to do with the performance of your favourite drivers?
20th January 2011, 17:26
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mise

Did Juho say that he had one snow tyre in front and the other in back.
And of course one intermedium front and the other in back.
They had the same tyres with Solberg and still the gab was 30 secs.

I think so, I think he said they had a cross pattern.
20th January 2011, 17:26
dimviii

Kopecky and Hanninen had same tyres?Big gap between them at last ss if so.
20th January 2011, 17:30
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Kopecky and Hanninen had same tyres?Big gap between them at last ss if so.

I think Kopecky had all inters, Juho had 2 snow tyres.
20th January 2011, 17:32
RICARDO75

Hänninen had two spare snow tyres but Kopecký just intermediat
20th January 2011, 17:35
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

I think Kopecky had all inters, Juho had 2 snow tyres.

Aha thats why Kopecky lost 7 minutes instead of 2,46 of Juho.
20th January 2011, 17:37
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICARDO75

Hänninen had two spare snow tyres but Kopecký just intermediat

so Kopecky started with 4 intermediat tyres on car and 2 intermediat as spares? thats completely silly.
20th January 2011, 17:43
RICARDO75

I think they were badly advised by the team
20th January 2011, 17:50
René

Lefebvre Twingo R2 10 th at the stage.....
20th January 2011, 17:56
RICARDO75

There must be some confusion with the times.
Cedric Petiet is 13th with a Renault Twingo R1 and only lost 2 m15s to Delecour.
I don't believe
20th January 2011, 17:59
Mise

Four studs doesn't do the trick for you?
20th January 2011, 17:59
Allyc85

Arrived home to find there was no sound on the eurosport HD channel that I was recording which was really annoying! Luckily I was back in time to see Wilks on onwards crossing the finish line, and to see the others sliding around in the snow, love it!

My work mates just couldnt understand it and laughed at me when I said its not a proper Monte Carlo if its dry like yesterday, maybe its too much for their little minds to understand ;)
20th January 2011, 18:07
RICARDO75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mise

Four studs doesn't do the trick for you?

On the first round in dry conditions, Petiet lost almost 5 minutes to Delecour.
Delecour add some studs in the afternoon and only won 2 minutes in those conditions?
20th January 2011, 18:13
Donney

I love how the Monte always seems to have something up its sleeve!!!
20th January 2011, 18:19
Halvis

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

Only the last 2 stages turned this way. Up until then we had a great battle for the first few places, now we have a different one. Tyre choice is all part of the game.

Maybe I'm being cynical but are you sure your dislike doesn't have a little bit to do with the performance of your favourite drivers?

I understand your assumption, but that's not the case - after all, it was Hanninen that lost a "safe" lead - and in fact, also lost the win.

However, I am utterly dissapointed about the stupid tyre choice, you're right there!
20th January 2011, 18:27
Mise

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICARDO75

On the first round in dry conditions, Petiet lost almost 5 minutes to Delecour.
Delecour add some studs in the afternoon and only won 2 minutes in those conditions?

Now that sun went down there has to be colder.
And when its colder the snow is harder.
And when the snow is harder, the stud has more traction,
since there's less tarmac showing under the snow.

There are lot's of people driving good times
with big starting numbers
20th January 2011, 18:29
Hipo1990

I have a question, wich results are correct?
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/8irc.php
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/day2/8irc.php
20th January 2011, 18:36
Sulland

I on the other hand loved those two stages, and like the monte lottery conditions. But I am amazed how bad tyre choices the top drivers did. The teams has forgotten the basics, have a couple of friends on each stage reporting the real conditions. As far as I understood that is whar Delecour had, and went for a concervative tyrechoice.

That non of the intermediate drivers went off is amazing, but good work from them, in an frustrating situation. Hanninen and Solberg took a gamble to win, but lost, and took it like men !

This is almost like old classic rallying, that we had before the sprint format WRC and IRC has today, where you had to think as well as driving, not only pedal to the metal all the time. This is only happening in MC, and that TV production was exiting and will become a classic in my book.
20th January 2011, 18:41
RICARDO75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hipo1990

I have a question, wich results are correct?
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/8irc.php
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/day2/8irc.php

Both.
But the 2nd is just for today results
20th January 2011, 18:43
ridder

Solberg told autosport in the last service that he is prepared to gamble with the tire choice and that it's his only chance to win because he doesn't believe he can take back 50 secs from Hanninen by driving.
Article here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89009

So he took the risk.... and seems to me like Hanninen just followed and Kopecky was told to follow? During same service Hanninen told autosport that he only fears Solberg for the win, so maybe he was too fixed on his tirechoice. That said I can't understand why Kopecky took 2 extra intermedias when he had 4 on. Sure tirewear is not that great issue when it's around 0 degrees?
20th January 2011, 18:44
RICARDO75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mise

Now that sun went down there has to be colder.
And when its colder the snow is harder.
And when the snow is harder, the stud has more traction,
since there's less tarmac showing under the snow.

There are lot's of people driving good times
with big starting numbers

You maybe right in what you say but I'll be standing in the back for these times
20th January 2011, 19:29
morganmilan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

I on the other hand loved those two stages, and like the monte lottery conditions. But I am amazed how bad tyre choices the top drivers did. The teams has forgotten the basics, have a couple of friends on each stage reporting the real conditions. As far as I understood that is whar Delecour had, and went for a concervative tyrechoice.

That non of the intermediate drivers went off is amazing, but good work from them, in an frustrating situation. Hanninen and Solberg took a gamble to win, but lost, and took it like men !

This is almost like old classic rallying, that we had before the sprint format WRC and IRC has today, where you had to think as well as driving, not only pedal to the metal all the time. This is only happening in MC, and that TV production was exiting and will become a classic in my book.

+1
20th January 2011, 19:38
KKS

Any snow pics?
20th January 2011, 19:41
Mise

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICARDO75

You maybe right in what you say but I'll be standing in the back for these times

and if I'm wrong you say:

I told you so, right? :D
20th January 2011, 20:01
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by nr7wave

Is it so that the Peugeot has a different kind of gearbox than Skoda and Ford? If so, could that be the reason for the difference in top speed? Not just the difference in choosing a gearbox with high vs. low gearing? I suspect that the Peugeot with high gearing would loose a lot to the Skoda in the twisty sections we saw yesterday, where Petter was the quickest driver in both passings.

Škoda usually use gearbox with top speed 171 on tarmac. Peugeot usually use 175, sometimes 165. Škoda used to have shorter 1-2-3 and longer 4-5-6 (Ford even more) but that may have changed through the time.
20th January 2011, 20:04
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Campana lost alot,, what problem anybody knows?

Drove on flat tyre around us - front right.
20th January 2011, 20:12
dimviii

Come on Mirek tell us moooore!!

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