Mobile phones & tablets thread

There's a difference between that and allowing devices in the domain as i said

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'm sorry, but nowhere today have I actually gone on about the fact that the hardware in an iPad is not as powerful as that of a laptop, I think you'll find that's captain raiden.

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What are you on about? Read my post you quoted, where was I comparing laptops to iPads? I didn't even mention the word 'laptop'.

I was referring to this post of yours

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The problem with IT expenditure is that the hierachy which is completely ignorant in terms of technology or the need for technology see something like an iPad on the BBC getting praise for this and that and they think "ooh they must be good" and we should start pushing them into our schools, hopsitals etc etc. Case in point is Caroline's school, some dipwad went down the route of looking whether iPad's would be money well spent. The roof of the school leaks in places when it rains ffs!!!!!! Sort out the big problems first and then if you've got money to splash out on luxuries then sure, if it adds value then chuck some iPad's in. I know different money comes from different pots and all, but surely ensuring the students have a roof over their head should be the primary priority.

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I don't know of any organisation where the IT department or similar looks into buying a particular bit of hardware purely on its own. That isn't how procurement works. For us, any procurement contract over 20k has to be put out to tender in international journals and can be challenged retrospectively by any losing bidder. The deal has to be watertight and can't be made on a whim.

Knockie made out that I said it was all about hardware and you said precisely....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Knockie made out that I said it was all about hardware and you said precisely....

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You clearly didn't make it beyond that sentence!

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Originally Posted by Malbec

What are you on about? Read my post you quoted, where was I comparing laptops to iPads? I didn't even mention the word 'laptop'.

I was referring to this post of yours



I don't know of any organisation where the IT department or similar looks into buying a particular bit of hardware purely on its own. That isn't how procurement works. For us, any procurement contract over 20k has to be put out to tender in international journals and can be challenged retrospectively by any losing bidder. The deal has to be watertight and can't be made on a whim.

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Local government. If they're happy with what they've buying currently, they will happily go out and buy the same.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Local government. If they're happy with what they've buying currently, they will happily go out and buy the same.

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Not if they're within the EU. Then they have to follow the rules and regulation for Public Procurement,
read more about it here: Government procurement in the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and here:
European Commission » Internal Market » Public Procurement

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Thing is, a phone is still a lot more useful in that situation, sure the screen isn't quite so big, but personally I just don't get the point in carrying something so big that duplicates the functionality of a device that pretty much everyone has. I mean does anyone carry a netbook AND a laptop around with them? :mark:

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That's why I got myself a Samsung Tab, it's small and it's also my phone, so I don't have to lug around a PC and a phone to get internet access and to call friends. IMO the best solution.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

For me the iPad is more functional than a laptop.

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Which means that you do no productive work whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's why I got myself a Samsung Tab, it's small and it's also my phone, so I don't have to lug around a PC and a phone to get internet access and to call friends. IMO the best solution.

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I still think that a 7" tablet is too big for you to be carrying around in your pocket but that's just me ;)

Daniel: "Hey iOan, is that a Samsung Tab in your pocket? " :p

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Originally Posted by ioan

Which means that you do no productive work whatsoever.

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ioan, you have no idea, really no idea, what you are talking about :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

ioan, you have no idea, really no idea, what you are talking about :laugh:

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I stand by my opinion, cause hot air and CO2 =/= productive in my book.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I stand by my opinion, cause hot air and CO2 =/= productive in my book.

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That's a shame because personally I would not accuse you of doing "no productive work whatsoever" based on your preference for a Samsung Tab. That would be an assumption based on a lack of an meaningful information, and therefore impossible to back up.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Which means that you do no productive work whatsoever.

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ioan, that is really quite an insulting remark to make about someone you don't know. I'd take it back if I were you.

I hardly imagine that one user of this forum is in a position to comment on the suitability of IT systems for another user, particularly if they don't know each other personally.

In other news, probable new iPhone in October.

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

I hardly imagine that one user of this forum is in a position to comment on the suitability of IT systems for another user, particularly if they don't know each other personally.

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What a Luddite position for someone to adopt in the 21st century. Don't you realise that we don't any longer need to know anything about a subject in order to comment on it? Merely a vague 'reckon', as Mitchell and Webb put it, is good enough.

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

In other news, probable new iPhone in October.

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Yup. October 4th. Sure to kill all of any publicity Microsoft would have had with the release of Mango. Nice work Microsoft :up:

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

In other news, probable new iPhone in October.

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Will the battery last more than five minutes if the device is used?

I realise I may have ranted about this before, but it is for me the most utterly infuriating thing about all Apple products.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What a Luddite position for someone to adopt in the 21st century. Don't you realise that we don't any longer need to know anything about a subject in order to comment on it? Merely a vague 'reckon', as Mitchell and Webb put it, is good enough.

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Cheap broadband provides internet access and hence a voice to everyone. Even those who really shouldn't be heard.....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yup. October 4th. Sure to kill all of any publicity Microsoft would have had with the release of Mango. Nice work Microsoft :up:

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A few years ago, Private Eye ran a little item about how favourable press coverage of Apple products may have something to do with the fact that National Union of Journalists members receive a discount on items bought through the Apple store. Clearly I was meant to be disgusted by this conflict of interest, as I often am when reading reports in the Eye. However, up until then I was unaware of this offer, so, as an NUJ member, I immediately took advantage of it and bought a MacBook. Not the desired effect of the piece, granted, but I was most grateful for the tip.

They also give discount to Higher Education institutions, hence the proliferation of Macs in Universities these days.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A few years ago, Private Eye ran a little item about how favourable press coverage of Apple products may have something to do with the fact that National Union of Journalists members receive a discount on items bought through the Apple store. Clearly I was meant to be disgusted by this conflict of interest, as I often am when reading reports in the Eye. However, up until then I was unaware of this offer, so, as an NUJ member, I immediately took advantage of it and bought a MacBook. Not the desired effect of the piece, granted, but I was most grateful for the tip.

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You'd be an idiot not to.

It is very interesting to see how Apple make themselves more popular with certain groups of people in society who perhaps yield a little more power than others. A Stephen Fry on twitter yammering on about your iDevice is a million times more effective than 1000 people on a forum going on about a Samsung tablet or laptop or whatever.

The power of the internet to sell products is amazing. On another forum I post on, I've convinced about half a dozen people to firstly buy winter tyres, and also buy the same brand of winter tyres I've put on our car. It's only September too and winter is at least 4-6 weeks away. 6 x 4 tyres at £50 each is £1200 which of course is nothing, but if a Clarkson or Hammond started telling people to buy a certain brand of winter tyres then sales would skyrocket.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

It is very interesting to see how Apple make themselves more popular with certain groups of people in society who perhaps yield a little more power than others. A Stephen Fry on twitter yammering on about your iDevice is a million times more effective than 1000 people on a forum going on about a Samsung tablet or laptop or whatever.

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Is that a conscious thing on Apple's part, though? Even if it is, I really don't care. Apple products suit my needs down to the ground, but in no way is this the case because of any perceived image they have. They simply do.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The power of the internet to sell products is amazing. On another forum I post on, I've convinced about half a dozen people to firstly buy winter tyres, and also buy the same brand of winter tyres I've put on our car. It's only September too and winter is at least 4-6 weeks away. 6 x 4 tyres at £50 each is £1200 which of course is nothing, but if a Clarkson or Hammond started telling people to buy a certain brand of winter tyres then sales would skyrocket.

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I would run a mile from anything endorsed by those people. Even oxygen.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Is that a conscious thing on Apple's part, though? Even if it is, I really don't care. Apple products suit my needs down to the ground, but in no way is this the case because of any perceived image they have. They simply do.

I would run a mile from anything endorsed by those people. Even oxygen.

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I'm sure it's conscious on Apple's part.

I tend to agree. I wouldn't make motoring decisions based on either of them either, but millions would.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'm sure it's conscious on Apple's part.

I tend to agree. I wouldn't make motoring decisions based on either of them either, but millions would.

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Just as the shops (those that stocked them) sold out of capers after Delia Smith used them in a recipe years ago. I find this sort of behaviour very odd.

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's why I got myself a Samsung Tab, it's small and it's also my phone, so I don't have to lug around a PC and a phone to get internet access and to call friends. IMO the best solution.

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You don't need to have a tablet to get internet access. All smart phones sold today have easy 3G, 4G and Wi-fi access, and any Android smart phone can do all the tasks that a tablet can, albeit on a tad smaller screen. The Samsung Galaxy Tab is a sort of a compromise between a tablet and a smart phone, and IMO doesn't work on both fronts. Too big for a phone to carry around in your pocket (unless you weigh like 40 kilos and wear baggy clothes), and too small screen to actually enjoy it as a tablet, like the iPad. They wanted to bring together the best of both sides, but ended up having a pretty crappy compromise.

And that's why Samsung is correcting this mistake by introducing the Galaxy Tab 10.1 now, whose hardware BTW will blow the iPad 2 out of the water.

But well, whatever works for ya. In my opinion the iPad makes more sense than the older Galaxy Tab, I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

buy the same brand of winter tyres I've put on our car.

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:eek: you bumkey! :crazy: :p

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

:eek: you bumkey! :crazy:

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If you arrange a discount for Conti's then I'll get them to buy Conti's :p Conti's are about 15% more expensive :p Must be the S-Max surcharge ;)

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

In other news, probable new iPhone in October.

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Yeah first it was September now October. Rumour is that iOS 5 is out on the 10th October, which I'm very much looking forward too (cue post by Daniel saying Windows phones have all the features already)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Will the battery last more than five minutes if the device is used?

I realise I may have ranted about this before, but it is for me the most utterly infuriating thing about all Apple products.

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The battery lasts for ages in my iPhone 4

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Originally Posted by Mark

Yeah first it was September now October. Rumour is that iOS 5 is out on the 10th October, which I'm very much looking forward too (cue post by Daniel saying Windows phones have all the features already)

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My favourite iOS5 feature is being able to use bold and italics in your emails - I've seen the future! :D

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Originally Posted by Mark

Yeah first it was September now October. Rumour is that iOS 5 is out on the 10th October, which I'm very much looking forward too (cue post by Daniel saying Windows phones have all the features already)

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Why not point out when WP7 already has those features? People point out that iOS or Android or whatever already does things WP doesn't yet do? WP's lack of true multitasking is annoying and iOS and Android do it far better.

WP already did the following which are new features in iOS5.

Wireless syncing
Opening the camera while the phone is locked with a single press (WP does it better by having a dedicated camera button)
Cloud storage
Tabbed browsing

and probably a few other things. I don't see what's wrong with pointing that out?

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Originally Posted by Dave B

My favourite iOS5 feature is being able to use bold and italics in your emails - I've seen the future! :D

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I can't do that on my phone :(

And there we are...

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Originally Posted by Mark

And there we are...

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and? :confused:

I suppose in two weeks you'll sarcastically say "I'm sure some Vettel fan will come along and post a "Congratulations Sebastian" thread now :rolleyes: " I'm not quite sure why he have a discussion forum where people are discouraged from discussing the topics :confused: Did I lie about Windows Phone having those features before iOS? I'm not quite sure I understand the issue here.

*Posted on my Windows Phone from Anti-Apple headquarters deep deep underground using the Board Express Pro App.*

It's just a bit boring that we can't talk about "Phone x can now do y" without "phone z has been able to do that for ages!!!!!!!!!!111!!!one"

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Originally Posted by Mark

It's just a bit boring that we can't talk about "Phone x can now do y" without "phone z has been able to do that for ages!!!!!!!!!!111!!!one"

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But if it's the truth? I don't quite see the problem. I don't mind people pointing out that I can't set custom ringtones on my phone and you can on an iPhone or an Android phone or on a 5 year old Nokia.....

I'm genuinely interested in technology so for me it's interesting to see who has what, who is presenting old stuff as new and who is missing stuff which others have had for years (by this I mean WP7 more than anything.......)

I think it's more the context in which these comparisons are delivered. Scan through the 59 pages of this thread and it's fairly clear on which sides of the technological front we all stand. It then becomes clear that posters incorporate subjectivity into their postings about the various deficiencies or advantages of their preferred device, rather than looking at things objectively.

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

I think it's more the context in which these comparisons are delivered. Scan through the 59 pages of this thread and it's fairly clear on which sides of the technological front we all stand. It then becomes clear that posters incorporate subjectivity into their postings about the various deficiencies or advantages of their preferred device, rather than looking at things objectively.

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So I'm being subjective when I point out that WP7 is missing some crucial things which iOS and Android have had for a while, whilst pointing out that it's also got some things which iOS doesn't have which WP7 has had since launch. That people can't actually just argue the facts is and have to try and make out that someone merely wants to point out the negatives of one platform whilst ignoring the positives when that clearly isn't the truth is a bit strange. How would you sum it up? I don't even see where I've been supposedly subjective in most posts since Mark baited me to point out the new features Apple is launching which WP7 already had. If you're going to accuse me of something then tell me where I supposedly went wrong :)

Seems no matter what I say, when it comes to a thread which even vaguely concerns apple, then people only hear one thing lol :laugh: