[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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3rd January 2009, 13:56
swordsman

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Mmmmmh...change of codriver for our friend Conrad Rautenbach ??? Wonder how it'll affect his drive(in positive or negative) :mark:

Yeah, hehe, I think we'll see.... I love speculation, but in this case I don't wanna do it ;)
3rd January 2009, 16:26
Salist

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

yes i think.. but Ostberg doubt because i think just 8 rallies not 12 ;)

here : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/team09.htm ;)

Urmo Aava, Ford Focus WRC, 8 rallies
3rd January 2009, 16:41
jbmarcus21

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Originally Posted by Salist

Urmo Aava, Ford Focus WRC, 8 rallies

just a rumour for the moment not ?? Not really official ... ?
3rd January 2009, 17:13
Salist

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

just a rumour for the moment not ?? Not really official ... ?

I don't know, but here is the source:
http://www.rallybuzz.com/aava-ford-focus-2009/
3rd January 2009, 17:14
jbmarcus21

yes true .. but expected ;)
3rd January 2009, 17:18
Salist

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

yes true .. but expected ;)

;) ;) ;)
3rd January 2009, 18:05
Koppomsbo

Dont know if this have been talked about here before but Patrik Sandell is going to do PWRC in Skoda Fabia S2000
3rd January 2009, 18:52
Mirek

Is it confirmed?
3rd January 2009, 19:19
Tom206wrc

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Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Dont know if this have been talked about here before but Patrik Sandell is going to do PWRC in Skoda Fabia S2000

:up:
3rd January 2009, 19:36
Barreis

Great news about Sandell!
3rd January 2009, 20:27
ProRally

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Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Dont know if this have been talked about here before but Patrik Sandell is going to do PWRC in Skoda Fabia S2000

Would be great if confirmed, but does Skoda HAVE that much Fabia S2000 ready ?

Any news from our CZ forumers ?
3rd January 2009, 21:03
Tom206wrc

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Originally Posted by ProRally

Would be great if confirmed, but does Skoda HAVE that much Fabia S2000 ready ?

Any news from our CZ forumers ?

Sandell could use in Norway(first round of PWRC) the Fabia of either Hänninen or Kopecky used at Monte-Carlo/IRC... ;)

But the Fabia never used Pirellis(no developpment with the italian manufacturer) it will have to wear in WRC though... :mark:
4th January 2009, 08:34
HaCo

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Originally Posted by ProRally

Would be great if confirmed, but does Skoda HAVE that much Fabia S2000 ready ?

Hmmm, how long are they building this car allready? :-)
4th January 2009, 09:34
Brother John

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Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Dont know if this have been talked about here before but Patrik Sandell is going to do PWRC in Skoda Fabia S2000

Maybe Patrik will drive the Skoda WRC car in Norway!!!

This is what he say "
http://www.vf.se/Sport/Varmland/PG-m...ge-090103.aspx
4th January 2009, 09:39
pantealex

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Maybe Patrik will drive the Skoda WRC car in Norway!!!

This is what he say "
http://www.vf.se/Sport/Varmland/PG-m...ge-090103.aspx

That is what PG says, not Patrik :)
4th January 2009, 09:51
Brother John

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Originally Posted by pantealex

That is what PG says, not Patrik :)

Ooooops my mistake. ;) P = not PG. :D
4th January 2009, 09:55
Tomi

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Originally Posted by pantealex

That is what PG says, not Patrik :)

He compaire it to suzuki as well, says that the drivability is better, but Suzuki had a better engine, also he says he wont pay much for the drive because the car is not very competitive.
4th January 2009, 10:07
Viking

He will have a good test of how competitive the car is next saturday in Sigdalsrally, where he will be up against Mads Østberg in S14 amongst others.
4th January 2009, 10:07
Psycho!

Someone was telling that Fabia is better than the Focus and capable of victories with some adjustments...
4th January 2009, 10:11
Tom206wrc

Wow the Fabia engine "less good" than the Suzuki one ???? :s :s
4th January 2009, 11:08
ProRally

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Hmmm, how long are they building this car allready? :-)

True, in fact in order to homologate the car they have to have 20 kits ready for inspection by FIA.
But that does not include bodyshells...
Lets see who really has a Fabia S2000 this month and next month :D
4th January 2009, 12:06
Mirek

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Wow the Fabia engine "less good" than the Suzuki one ???? :s :s

That's probably truth. Fabia WRC engine is weak compared to Focus or even C4, especialy torque.
4th January 2009, 13:13
Barreis

Clever thinking from clever guy who thinks about future of sport..
http://www.rallybuzz.com/chandler-wrc-reduce-costs/
4th January 2009, 13:18
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Meaningless words from the guy who who so far has done nothing to secure the future of the sport..
http://www.rallybuzz.com/chandler-wrc-reduce-costs/

Fixed your spelling mistakes.
4th January 2009, 13:33
BDunnell

I find this comment of Chandler's absolutely absurd: 'If I've got a Super 2000 car and I'm doing national rallies in New Zealand, for example, and I decide I want to have a go at the WRC when it comes to my country then I will be able to hire the kit, bolt it on my car, do the WRC round, take the kit off my car, pay the hire fee and carry on. It needs to be that simple.'

'That simple'? Would it not be simpler (and cheaper) to come up with a formula that can run in domestic championships and the WRC without the need for a bolt-on kit? The FIA managed this before with Group A.
4th January 2009, 13:49
Sulland

But FIA can not dictate the national authorities to run S2000+ or not.

So for many countries this will not be a problem, you can use the same car for both. But for people that are running R4 (S2000) in the national series, can bolt on the kit to upgrade to R5 (WRC) if they want to do their own rally in the world championship.

This is a good system, if they can get it to work in practical life !!
4th January 2009, 14:01
Tomi

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I find this comment of Chandler's absolutely absurd: 'If I've got a Super 2000 car and I'm doing national rallies in New Zealand, for example, and I decide I want to have a go at the WRC when it comes to my country then I will be able to hire the kit, bolt it on my car, do the WRC round, take the kit off my car, pay the hire fee and carry on. It needs to be that simple.

Wonder what plans they have for countries where rally is not on so amateur level, can those kits be bought as well? I think the swap from s2000 to s2000+kit is bigger job than they think, and not worth to do too often.
4th January 2009, 14:01
Daniel

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I find this comment of Chandler's absolutely absurd: 'If I've got a Super 2000 car and I'm doing national rallies in New Zealand, for example, and I decide I want to have a go at the WRC when it comes to my country then I will be able to hire the kit, bolt it on my car, do the WRC round, take the kit off my car, pay the hire fee and carry on. It needs to be that simple.'

'That simple'? Would it not be simpler (and cheaper) to come up with a formula that can run in domestic championships and the WRC without the need for a bolt-on kit? The FIA managed this before with Group A.

Yes I don't get what was wrong with GroupA. If manufacturers struggled to make money from it it's because they didn't make decent cars or marketthem properly.
4th January 2009, 14:08
Buzz Lightyear

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Wonder what plans they have for countries where rally is not on so amateur level, can those kits be bought as well? I think the swap from s2000 to s2000+kit is bigger job than they think, and not worth to do too often.

Yes, I think the compression ratio of a turbo vs. normal aspirated engine leads to alot of problems, but this is upto the manufacturers to sort out, as its them that want the turbos in the first place. The option is to just use Super 2000, and forget about the + version.
4th January 2009, 15:44
Barreis

I think it musts be this way.. Otherwise it will be some Mr.Wilson or Mr.Richards who will think:"Why not to take 2 or 3 millions euro for nothing!!!"
Now it will be 150 drivers in the world who'll have oportunity with their budget to drive proper car in WRC.. Regards.
4th January 2009, 17:06
Gard

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Originally Posted by Sulland

snip..
This is a good system, if they can get it to work in practical life !!

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.
4th January 2009, 17:18
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Gard

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.

Well if the compression ratio is low enough on the NA engine it could just be a straight swap as long as there's not too much boost.
4th January 2009, 17:25
Bazza2541

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Originally Posted by Gard

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.

Perhaps the myriad of engineering people who work for the car manufacturers and WRC teams know something that you don't?
4th January 2009, 19:10
JFL

Is'nt there talk about 40-50hp extra in the +version? That would'nt require a lot of boost to the engine.. The today's wrc cars have about 100-130+hp without boost! I guess some other things like antilag and launch control puts a lot of strain to the engines and will not be on the new cars..
4th January 2009, 19:53
HaCo

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Originally Posted by Gard

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.

Maybe if you rent the kit, it is WITH a motor in it.
4th January 2009, 20:38
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yes I don't get what was wrong with GroupA. If manufacturers struggled to make money from it it's because they didn't make decent cars or marketthem properly.

I'm another who thinks the Group A regs were the best. And doesn't really accept the reasons the Manufacturers gave for it's end. The Homologation regs of ???? cars per year wasn't viable - or so we are told. At least then - Joe Public could go to his local dealer and buy the road version of the Rally car. Now, you cannot do this - look at the soon to be released RS Focus, in all honesty it's just a glorified ST. It has very little in common with the WRCar - no 2LTurbo, no 4WD - So how is it an RS??
The more the Road & WRCars are the same the better - surely. At the moment, the WRCars are basically Prototypes - and sadly, the S2000's are not much better.

And as for marketing - well Citroen have really gone to town with their success of 2008, haven't they??
4th January 2009, 20:43
Tomi

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Maybe if you rent the kit, it is WITH a motor in it.

I too think there will be different motor in the kit package.
4th January 2009, 20:44
A.F.F.

Am I too late with this news? Gardemeister got himself an Abarth for Monte.
Team will be Astra like his rally with them back in the days of 307.

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...2009/01/773422
4th January 2009, 20:59
Daniel

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

I'm another who thinks the Group A regs were the best. And doesn't really accept the reasons the Manufacturers gave for it's end. The Homologation regs of ???? cars per year wasn't viable - or so we are told. At least then - Joe Public could go to his local dealer and buy the road version of the Rally car. Now, you cannot do this - look at the soon to be released RS Focus, in all honesty it's just a glorified ST. It has very little in common with the WRCar - no 2LTurbo, no 4WD - So how is it an RS??
The more the Road & WRCars are the same the better - surely. At the moment, the WRCars are basically Prototypes - and sadly, the S2000's are not much better.

And as for marketing - well Citroen have really gone to town with their success of 2008, haven't they??

Couldn't agree more. I think the main problem with group A was manufacturers trying to sell the minimum amount of cars. Subaru showed how many cars you can sell with group A regs. Even before the WRC regs Subaru was selling good numbers of cars at least in Australia.
4th January 2009, 21:01
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

I'm another who thinks the Group A regs were the best. And doesn't really accept the reasons the Manufacturers gave for it's end. The Homologation regs of ???? cars per year wasn't viable - or so we are told. At least then - Joe Public could go to his local dealer and buy the road version of the Rally car. Now, you cannot do this - look at the soon to be released RS Focus, in all honesty it's just a glorified ST. It has very little in common with the WRCar - no 2LTurbo, no 4WD - So how is it an RS??
The more the Road & WRCars are the same the better - surely. At the moment, the WRCars are basically Prototypes - and sadly, the S2000's are not much better.

It's not even as if Group A in its original form took a lot of effort to homologate a decent car, because mainstream 'hot hatches' like the Golf GTi, Astra GTE/Kadett GSi and Renault 11 Turbo were eligible and didn't require their manufacturers to build a special model to meet the homologation requirements. Add to that the fact that the BMW M3 and Ford Sierra Cosworth were intended for racing as well as rallying, and it was a cost-effective formula.

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