Sutil will stand trial in a German court later this month

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I just noticed something that maybe somebody could clear up for me .

Now , it's not surprising that Adrian would appeal .
But , is the lodging of the appeal from the presecution side just a normal matter of course ?

They asked for $300k and 21 months the first time , and got $200k and 18 months .
If they are appealing , are they asking for the original sentence for which they applied ?

If so , they have 3 months , and $100k to gain from this .

Is $100k going to cover the legal fees here ?


I would have thought that , with the appeal being lodged from Sutil's side , it would have been one of the spoils of victory to get the legal fees paid for by the appealing side . With a prosecution appeal lodged as well , it seems not to be the case .

Anybody out there who might clear this up ?

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Don't know if lux is going for the balance of the original complaint only. Remember he has reserved the right to charge other parties than just Sutil. It is really just legal posturing, but he implies that someone else may be complicit originally, and this verdict does not preclude, that any number of people from Hamilton’s bodyguard to the Restuarant where they ate. who knows who will be on his hit list. We have to wait for the court case. It is possible he will go for legal fees, but that usually only happen in civil matters. I don't think Sutil was ordered to pay Luxs' legal fees with the original verdict, and the verdict is what is being appealed by Lux, and Sutil.
Lux will have to file a separate complaint if others are to reveal a likelihood of complicity.
I just hope “Stupil” doesn’t get out-lawyered again as bad as last time. :s mokin:

Lux reserving the right to take action against others besides Sutil sounds a bit more than ominous , and makes one wonder if there was any of this thought in Lewis's decision process .
One could imagine that Lewis , having been sat beside Adrian when the brou-ha-ha began , might feel he is first in line for a suit .

But , if the CCTV footage shows Lewis to not have been involved , what would be the issue with attending ?

And , isn't this getting pretty close to blackmail ?


The aspect of the appeal dealing with the sentence , itself , is based upon the fact it didn't jive with the prosecution's original ask , isn't it ?
Unless further evidence became available , that radically changed the game , came into view , they would merely be asking for the original sentence requested , wouldn't they ?


I read one rumour that had a bimbo in the Lux party spilling a drink on Sutil setting the whole thing in motion .
I would guess drivers have better "pull" than team owners , and she was not up to snuff for the young Sutil , with him uttering something off-colour , as his his suit soaked up the drink like Shannon soaks Gene .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

what would be the issue with attending ?

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There is NO issue with attending. Where has this 'attending issue' sprung from.

Lewis was not available due to previously arranged commitments. You know, the stuff F1 drivers get bogged down with - car launches and such like.

His manager, lawyer whoever, contacted the court to this effect. As the trial still continued as planned, Lewis's pre-arranged plans not having magically disintegrated in a 'piff paff puff' moment, was still unavailable.

Now, what is honestly so hard to grasp about that?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I read one rumour

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That's it - you've cracked it - it must be true.......

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That's it - you've cracked it - it must be true.......

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I heard a rumor that this was all a bad dream concocted by Bernie using hypnotism, to create mass F-1 hysteria, I mean attention.

Which came first , the date announced for the launch , or the date announced for the trial ?

Just wondering , as it would point to McLaren helping give him reason to not attend if it set the launch after the trial date was set .
I have no idea what that would mean for them .

If the launch date was set before the trial date , then one must wonder why they couldn't move the launch up or back a day or two , especially as the monday was for filming only for Lewis .



By the way , the rumour about the bimbo is just that , a rumour .

It might fit though .

I said it before and I'll say it again. If Sutil's defense had 1/2 of a brain they would have had Hamilton formally served with a subpoena for the first case. Then he would either have to attend, or his representation could try to arrange to have the trial date moved. I think that may not be very easy considering this is a trial with people who saw or heard things that could be attendance that are spread out all over the freaken' planet! It doesn't matter to the court if it is a work day for you. If you receive a formal summons with the proper amount of advanced notice (and your lawyers can't make any other arrangements) you either be there or be in contempt.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

It might fit though .

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If you apply enough force, a square peg will fit a round hole.....

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

I said it before and I'll say it again. If Sutil's defense had 1/2 of a brain they would have had Hamilton formally served with a subpoena for the first case. Then he would either have to attend, or his representation could try to arrange to have the trial date moved. I think that may not be very easy considering this is a trial with people who saw or heard things that could be attendance that are spread out all over the freaken' planet! It doesn't matter to the court if it is a work day for you. If you receive a formal summons with the proper amount of advanced notice (and your lawyers can't make any other arrangements) you either be there or be in contempt.

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I get all that , but Hamilton must have recieved something from the court or lawyers from either side , as he was apparently required to be excused , given that he was excused .
He was on the original list of witnesses apparently . Why try to submit a statement if he wasn't ?

Maybe they did , simply , screw up .
It would seem pretty odd , though .
It would be all over the news if they suddenly changed law firms , wouldn't it ?

Suppose , though , that the judge saw Lewis's testimony , stating that he saw nothing , at the same time as being told of his need to be at work .
It would explain the judge not seeing the testimony as being useful to the case , and excusing the lad .

Your honour , may I have permission to treat the witness as hostile ?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

If you apply enough force, a square peg will fit a round hole.....

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In the 70's I had a press that you could put an egg into , to make it square .