Do You Know the Real Islam?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What the Bible says, amongst other things, is that Jesus turned water into wine. Any sensible being of sound mind knows that this is impossible. Not the most reliable source, perhaps.

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For the Christian faith, the only source.
One either accepts what is written at face value, or becomes one of thousands of "churches" (or religious organizations) remaking the Christian God in their own image.

Impossible?
Scientists said for years nothing could exceed the speed of light but recently they are having second thoughts.

Impossible, only if one absolutely believes there is no god, and that if the one cannot do it, no one- can. Mean while, men will continue to try, while explaining in man made theories that which they cannot prove. to prove there is no god.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

For the Christian faith, the only source.
One either accepts what is written at face value, or becomes one of thousands of "churches" (or religious organizations) remaking the Christian God in their own image.

Impossible?
Scientists said for years nothing could exceed the speed of light but recently they are having second thoughts.

Impossible, only if one absolutely believes there is no god, and that if the one cannot do it, no one- can. Mean while, men will continue to try, while explaining in man made theories that which they cannot prove. to prove there is no god.

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You are equating a theory " all scientific fact" is in reality a theory as there are no absolutes.

But Bob, are you really of the belief that a man turned water into wine? Maybe he started the twelve sstep program afterwards too.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

I do know what Im talking about. I am an American and a Christian and proud to be both. I have studied Islam, taken classes, went to lectures, talked with local pastors about it. Trust me, its not peaceful. If you think it is, then you dont believe what the Koran says. It clearly states to kill and death to all non-believers. Is that peaceful ?

I dont have time rite now but I can get in depth to what I am saying and back it up with verses, studies, etc. I think you fall in the #2 category my friend.

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If you knew what you were talking about you would answer some of the questions posed. What is that term I keep hearing about people like you, is it sheeple (as in a follower)?
Do you just sit there and allow yourself to be preached to and believe everything you hear without inquiry? I see in some forums that there are those that believe that Hitler was a left leaning fascist which is in fact an oxymoron. Please answer at least the water to wine and the loaves to fish miracle.In addition, was your Gerry Falwell (sic) or Pat Robertson one of the people who lectured you? Your failure to answer questions posed to you suggests that you are not well read or knowledgeable.

By the way, what is the second commandment? It has something to do with idolatry and false Gods. Hmmm, a unsettling attachment to a female race car driver.....

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

That site is the aniti-christian equivalence of anti-denomination heresy-hunter sites-- lies and damned lies because of either ignorance or simple hatred.

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Unless those contradictory passages are falsified, then my point remains.

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

If you knew what you were talking about you would answer some of the questions posed. What is that term I keep hearing about people like you, is it sheeple (as in a follower)?
Do you just sit there and allow yourself to be preached to and believe everything you hear without inquiry? I see in some forums that there are those that believe that Hitler was a left leaning fascist which is in fact an oxymoron. Please answer at least the water to wine and the loaves to fish miracle.In addition, was your Gerry Falwell (sic) or Pat Robertson one of the people who lectured you? Your failure to answer questions posed to you suggests that you are not well read or knowledgeable.

By the way, what is the second commandment? It has something to do with idolatry and false Gods. Hmmm, a unsettling attachment to a female race car driver.....The intellectual level of this last statement, explains why the rhetoric in your post seems to be non-existent. There is no intellect behind it.
But if it makes you feel better keep on stroking yourself, maybe being so full of yourself will have you purring like a kitten.

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Mean while, this thread topic is about the "real Islam" while you and others like you, just keep yapping on about how evil Christians are at best or make silly remarks that those in a mutual admiration society do to bond.
Thank you.
You made my point quite well that your attacks are nothing more than bigotry unleashed.

Valid off-topic questions, have not been asked.

The bs site about Bible contradictions rests its hopes on people being either too apathetic or biased, to take time to actually read the Bible and see that the supposed contradictions are created by taking items out of context, or deliberate ignorance.
The Bible consists of writings by different people writing what they saw and thought should be recorded.
It is not a pre-planned item with writers consulting each other on what the others are writing; therefore the method of telling an item, and what is or is not included, will be from the style of the author of that piece. (As a police officer would say- ask five people who saw the same thing what happened and you will get at least three different versions- NOT because each sees not something different but because each recalls what that person finds most memorable or important in the scene.)

Now the actual book WAS put together by scholars who rather than change what was written to make a nice flowing tome, cobbled it together as fluid as possible, without changing any. (Books that were considered non-Canon were eliminated. Some say( R. Catholics kept some of them) the history in them would have helped, while others say too much in them was possibly copiers amplifying the books, because they could.---------{If you really give a damn, read books on the early Christian church and or writings by some of the people who put it together over a thousand years ago. })
For those who actually do not know, it was not written in chapters and verses, that was supposed to make it easier to read.

I can give you a web site that takes all the contradictions that that site lists and rips the author's ignorance to threads by using what the Bible actually says, but then you boys would jump on the table and say, "Oh yeah, another Christian site, like we are supposed to believe what they write?"

Why don't you boys start a- Christians are evil- thread, you can have a hay-day there.

Sorry boys, I am not going take hours to cut and paste out of the Bible and then try to explain, what it actually says, to people who would just make grade-school insults because their minds are made up, while this off topic item is their current equivalent of target shooting with blanks.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Unless those contradictory passages are falsified, then my point remains.

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You have no point and the site's contradictions do not exist unless one pops out quotes in a manner to fit one's agenda.

Read the Bible and see why this wannabe heresy-hunter's site is wrong.

If you do not want to do that, there is, or are, sites that directly answer each contradiction listed by the atheist equivalent of a heresy-hunter.
If you are going to take what he writes at face value, then it is hypocritical to not check and see what those who answered his charges have said.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Opinions that are biased, to genuinely bigoted, has been all that has been produced, while ignoring facts that make the Islam-Christian analogy pathetic at best, and stupid at worst.

Muslims are murdering people, both infidels and opposing denominations (or what ever Sunni, Shiite etc. call other Muslims.)
The effort is being made here, without a base, to say Christians are no different.

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Why should you be able say that muslims are murdering people but in the same breath state that Christians are not? Should this really be a Muslims kill people and Christians dont argument or a Christians kill people and Muslims dont argument? At the end of the day people kill people.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think you have a few issues with Islam that you yourself do not fully understand.

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Remove the words 'with Islam' and you would be spot-on.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You have no point and the site's contradictions do not exist unless one pops out quotes in a manner to fit one's agenda.

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No, without going to read the whole bible, the point I made was that claims of the Koran being erronous could just as easily be applied to the Bible, and defended or justified with the same logic. Which makes DanicaFan's argument on those grounds, baseless.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

If that is so, give me the numbers in the twenty first, or hell, even the twentieth Century of people murdered by Christians in the name of the Bible, randomly or by discriminate choice, those not of their faith.

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What is this obsession with numbers? If Religion A is responsible for x deaths, and Religion B is responsible for x/2 deaths, does that mean that A is "better" than B? No, it means that both religions have crappy factions who interpret their respective texts in a way which justifies killing. That's not something to be proud of.

I know that the Christians who go around killing and discriminating, spreading hatrid and bigotry, aren't representative of the entire religion. So why do people have this mental block about the tiny minority of Muslims who do the same, tainting the vast majority of peaceful followers of their faith? And why does it appear that a disproportionate number of those people with the mental block are Americans?