Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Oh yes, he is in F1 because he's black. In the 90s Ron Dennis was going around the country looking for a black boy to pump all of Mclaren's money into, so that one day, as soon as he turns 18, he could attract sponsors because of his skin color. :rolleyes:



+1 from me. Just simply ridiculously amazing...

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ha ha, wound you roundy roundy boys up. Back of to my home on world rally forum.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

What would be helpful is if there was another in-car shot from the McLaren of the lap[s] previous to this at the hairpin to establish Massa's normal line there. If it is different, then it is not unreasonable to assume Massa made a deliberate early turn in.

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Ah come on. So now you can only move a certain amount on the track from one lap to another? The fact is that it's the responsibility of the guy behind to make a safe pass. What you're asking if effectively for Massa just to give the place away.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Ah come on. So now you can only move a certain amount on the track from one lap to another? The fact is that it's the responsibility of the guy behind to make a safe pass. What you're asking if effectively for Massa just to give the place away.

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No! But if you can establish a pattern to Massa's line around the hairpin, you can then apply a test of reasonableness - i.e. was it reasonable to assume that Massa would continue to take the same line. This will be a consideration that lead to Lewis making a move there. As was said in the interview, it is nigh on impossible to overtake, so you have to make the opportunity.

As for the St Devote incident with Maldonado, take a gander at this, it's tidy!

Interesting analyses… «

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

No! But if you can establish a pattern to Massa's line around the hairpin, you can then apply a test of reasonableness - i.e. was it reasonable to assume that Massa would continue to take the same line. This will be a consideration that lead to Lewis making a move there. As was said in the interview, it is nigh on impossible to overtake, so you have to make the opportunity.

As for the St Devote incident with Maldonado, take a gander at this, it's tidy!

Interesting analyses… «

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At the end of the day it's the responsibility of the driver behind to make the overtake safely.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

At the end of the day it's the responsibility of the driver behind to make the overtake safely......

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........umless the guy you are trying to pass turns in early on you........

I won't lie to you, this is true, but, as Martin Brundle pointed out when referencing his own experience of overtaking at Monaco - you need a willing opponent.

I'm off for an omelette.......

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Originally Posted by Shifter

IMO Massa couldn't reasonably know Lewis was going to be there, just making it to the sidepod ain't enough. Hamilton committed himself to a last-millisecond overtake and simply wasn't far enough alongside. 100% Hamilton's fault.

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Lewis was hounding Massa for the previous 4-5 laps, so Massa would have known that he was in danger of being overtaken at any point, and IMO he was perfectly aware of where Lewis was. He was too far behind Webber to attempt a move, so the only logical explanation for him turning sooner on that corner is to block Hamilton. Still Lewis was way too overeager. I'd say 70-30 Hamilton's fault.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Ah come on. So now you can only move a certain amount on the track from one lap to another? The fact is that it's the responsibility of the guy behind to make a safe pass. What you're asking if effectively for Massa just to give the place away.

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So then, MS gave his place away to Lewis? No, I think he just used his mirrors better. Same place, same move, Maldonado turned in sooner to block. For the successful completion of an overtaking maneuver on ANY track, the responsibility for it being clean lies with both drivers, this is what we were told before every karting race. You can block the faster driver to an extent, but at no point should you try to push him into the wall. Or the driver getting passed can simply turn into the overtaker, ala Schumacher doing it to Hill and Villenueve or squeezing the piss out of Rubens last year at Hungary, or chopping off some poor bloke's wing at Turkey this year.

Hell, none of the Ferrari top brass have said anything negative about the Massa move, deeming it a race incident. Domenicali was quite hush about it. And now Sam Michael has called the incident with Maldonado a racing incident as well:

Michael: Hamilton-Maldonado clash racing incident - GPUpdate.net

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Michael: Hamilton-Maldonado clash racing incident
31 May 2011

Williams Technical Director Sam Michael has pointed a finger at neither Lewis Hamilton nor Pastor Maldonado for the incident which took the Venezuelan out of Sunday’s Monaco Grand Prix. While lying sixth and heading for a maiden Formula 1 points finish with just five laps to go, the car was put out of action at St. Devote corner.

“It was a racing incident,” Michael said briefly in a Tuesday review of the race from Williams. However, after the coming together, Rubens Barrichello was able to cross the line in ninth to pick up the Grove outfit’s first two points of 2011.

“It was great for everyone involved to get some points on the board and we must thank Rubens for bringing home our first of the season,” Michael commented. “It was however, somewhat bittersweet because Pastor was looking good for a big points haul.”

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It takes two for a successful overtake - if the person being overtaken doesn't accept this and turns in - what is the overtaker supposed to do? Disappear...
Remember Panis on Irvine at the same spot in 1996? Don't remember a penalty for that? Schuey overtook Lewis and Rosberg at the same place, they both saw it and allowed the move to happen. They could have been boneheaded and turned in, like Massa...

Thanks SGWilko for the link. These pictures need to be embedded.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/857...naco2011t1.jpg

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3...nacoturn1b.jpg

He's actually closer to Maldonado than MS. Clearly Maldonado turned in way too soon.

after seeing the interview in full last night i think it has been beaten up to make it look worse then it was

http://i51.tinypic.com/bdle1c.jpg
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They're trying to make her less black! This is a whitewash!!!!!