Libya no fly zone

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Of course it doesn't if it is undermined and criticised at every opportunity in certain quarters.

It's interesting to note the contempt that successive US Republican administrations have for the UN, at least at the beginning of their terms (link). Of course they would probably argue that their initially antagonistic approach improved the UN in some way which is why their views changed by the time they left office.

Perhaps the reality is that the UN is an essential forum in times where there are few 'local' issues in the international community. Fortunately from the start the Obama administration has taken a far more positive approach (link).

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Around 1971 there started to appear Bumper stickers that reads "US out of UN".I'm not sure which issue it was that started Right-Wingers off on that one (may have something to do with the Shaw of Iran). Over the time between then and now I still see some. I think it has something to do with if opinions with U.S are not consistent with world opinion it has to be useless. There are plenty of "My fellow Americans" that suffer from selective amnesia. I want to make it perfectly clear. The U.S.A. has always gotten there to address issues that need them when the chips are down. However we have this overloaded opinion of ourselves. The good news is that in an era of spontaneous cries for democracy we have a very excellent Secretary of State. Also a president that has cultivated a dialogue with the world community. Unlike the second Gulf war The UN and its member countries were lining up to join us in the implementation of what is referred to as operation Odyssey Dawn. Personally this American is glad to know we have partners when we address these issues, with the full admission that the expense will be parsed, and shared by a very enthusiastic coalition.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

What makes the US Constitution worth something, is that it was agreed to and should be honored as the supreme law of the land, which Obama completely failed to do when he sent the cruise missiles flying. Instead, he honored the wishes of a few drooling foreign politicos over at the UN, in direct violation of the consitution, and in so doing, killed people outside the law of the land.

For this, he should be impeached.
Period.

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Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, as did Johnson and Nixon in Vietnam. There are more than two hundred instances in which presidents have sent armed forces into hostile situations to protect US lives and property without a declaration of war being made by Congress

The 1973 War Powers Act gives a President 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action.

The UN charter was ratified by the Senate in 1945, and as such the president is bound by its terms.

I'm afraid I'm finding some of the contributions to this thread from our friends on the American right to be nothing short of bonkers.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, as did Johnson and Nixon in Vietnam. There are more than two hundred instances in which presidents have sent armed forces into hostile situations to protect US lives and property without a declaration of war being made by Congress

The 1973 War Powers Act gives a President 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action.

The UN charter was ratified by the Senate in 1945, and as such the president is bound by its terms.

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You mean John F Kennedy. Truman tried to call it a "police action"

In any event the war powers resolution is very specific. It requires (1) an emergency (ie no time to talk before taking action) AND (2)that the territory and persons of the USA be attacked.

Neither are present. The fact that other presidents may have violated the constitution, does not excuse the behavior, nor more than arguing that other people got away with murder, so why not me?

The UN can only authorize taking action; it can not require any military action of attacking another country as something ordered by the UN.

Dunnel?? you still sitting on your butt?? How come you are not leading the charge, shooting and being shot at, to save them Lybians from themselves???????
Armchair warriors........ :rolleyes:


Maybe the USA needs to get some payback on england for the war of 1812. Or do we got to ask the UN before we can do that or go to the bathroom.....

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

What's the over under line on how much longer Moammar Kadafi will last until his reign of terror is destroyed.
I give him 34 hrs as of 8:20 PDT.

What sayeth thee.

The image below is of the British expeditionary force surrendering to combined French and Colonial Forces Near Yorktown.

Lord Howe was too humiliated (I mean ill) to have the stones to hand his sword over to General Washington.
Instead he hands it off to a subordinate with instructions to present it to General Rochambeau :bigcry:


http://www.solarnavigator.net/histor...cornwallis.jpg


:s ailor: Winning

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DARN!!! you should not have posted this picture. Now those Englanders will be wanting to get some payback and send some cruise missiles up the ole Potamac.....

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Originally Posted by markabilly

DARN!!! you should not have posted this picture. Now those Englanders will be wanting to get some payback and send some cruise missiles up the ole Potamac.....

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Why do you Canadians not know the difference between England and Great Britain?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Why do you Canadians not know the difference between England and Great Britain?

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cause I am color blind.

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I'm afraid I'm finding some of the contributions to this thread from our friends on the American right to be nothing short of bonkers.

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It is much worse in the big picture. I have a hard time understanding them. It is hysterical to me that Brits have embraced what Sarkosy(whatever his motives or agenda is )has done. Brits are indoctrinated to have a general hatred of the French. A lot of countries do, but only Italy can claim to have one as legitimate as the Brits. I don't think that club bonkers have any clue how ignorant and simplistic their positions are, if you scroll back a few pages you can see documentation of how I refused to acquiesce to all posters some British, but mostly Americans that somehow diplomacy works and it works even better than some people want to admit, or think they have the time for.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

DARN!!! you should not have posted this picture. Now those Englanders will be wanting to get some payback and send some cruise missiles up the ole Potamac.....

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Actually it was in response to one that I thought (although funny) needed to be balanced out!

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Originally Posted by markabilly

The fact that other presidents may have violated the constitution, does not excuse the behavior...

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And yet I suspect if Obama had waited and sought the approval of Congress you may well have been calling for his impeachment on the basis of hesitation :p :