Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Ferrari are within their right. Alonso - who was quicker - understands this business and both Massa and Smedley ought to be reprimanded for their comments and actions towards Ferrari.

If Massa is dissatisfied then the time to argue the point was during recent contract negotiations.

The FIA fines Ferrari and investigates because of the rule - but as can be argued - the actual application is not quite so simple.

Are there teammorders? No.

Could Massa have defended his position? Yes. He did so earlier on in the grand prix from Alonso. Massa made this decision.

The fine Ferrari looks to be paying is really because the "spirit" of the rule is probably considered broken - but then the FIA are capricious as we saw with the double-diffuser issue in 2009.

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You remind me of the (pikey) traveller kid at school - on his own......

I´m sure ferrari and alonso are proud of their victory today.

After the WMSC hearing I´m afraid it wil blow in the wind.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Ferrari are within their right. Alonso - who was quicker - understands this business and both Massa and Smedley ought to be reprimanded for their comments and actions towards Ferrari.

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I was wondering how long will it taken until we can read your usual 'pearls'.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't often agree with a journalist from the 'News of The World', but this was about as direct a question that anybody should ask. The uncomfortable wording from Fernando and the fact he attempts to turn the attack on the questioner confirms their is an element of guilt of how the race was manipulated.

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Guilt? No.

Fernando Alonso was trying to answer a question in a language that is not his, the best he could without enabling it to be used AGAINST Ferrari later on.

Do you know how difficult that is? Could you do the same as eloquently in Spanish?

Personally, I had to learn English and an entirely different alphabet because my natural language is Hebrew. It is not easy and to be under the hostile attack of the moatly self-righteous British journalists who are mostly hostile towards Ferrari anyway, is extreme pressure.

I think Alonso was eloquent and he understands F1. Pity the emotional journalists and too many fans do not.

This is f1 and team orders are the right and are part of f1 - regardless of the politcally correct stupid rules.

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Originally Posted by ioan

:down: :down: :down: Ferrari, Alonso and dare I say Santander!
:down: :up: Smedley and Massa for making the team orders so obvious but still bending over.

I'll never support these Italian cheap-shots again.

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The pinnacle of hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I was wondering how long will it taken until we can read your usual 'pearls'.

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Absent emotionalism - you know that I am correct - and that it was the order of play when Schumi was driving for Benetton and Ferrari.

You cannot have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Guilt? No.

Fernando Alonso was trying to answer a question in a language that is not his, the best he could without enabling it to be used AGAINST Ferrari later on.

Do you know how difficult that is? Could you do the same as eloquently in Spanish?

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Spanish and English are related, it should be relatively simple for Spaniards to learn English (Although they don't despite the 16 million British tourists that visit the country annually). I haven't seen you offer sympathy for drivers who have real problems with communication since their language and culture are so different.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Thankfully I don't work in an industry that requires me to speak Spanish as a designated first language when comunicating with others. Fernando speaks English very well as most of his career has involved him living in Oxford, and I'm pretty sure he knows how adopt an element of English sarcasm when answering an uncomfortable question.

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So you judge him based on what you believe rather than the facts.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Absent emotionalism - you know that I am correct - and that it was the order of play when Schumi was driving for Benetton and Ferrari.

You cannot have it both ways.

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There was a time when team orders were legal and no one was hiding them.

Today it is illegal and what Ferrari did is a slap in the face of all of us followed by lots of lies.
You support this? Fine, I don't.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

So you judge him based on what you believe rather than the facts.

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Any normal people would be able to speak fluently in a language after using it for 10 years. Saying that English is his problem is a very poor excuse.