Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

So you really feel that calling someone a clown qualifies for a lifetime ban? I mean really? After all thats been said in here?

My sincere apologies. I didnt realise there are different standards here.

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You ( and many others) have been warned many times now, I will not tollerate any more insults, not from you nor from anybodyelse. End of the story !

I love everyone. You guys are the greatest. We have such a great world all of us getting along like we are just one world. Pino is the leader of the new revolution _ Peace Brother _ Love thy Neighbor.

So lets all love Flav and let him back in. :D

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

Nothing to add to this really. Ferraris problem is that the contracts are so rock solid nowadays that its virtually impossible to lure yourself out of them. Thats why Ferrari will be paying a big chunk of Kimis salary at McLaren next year.

Or maybe Santander will? Will Kimi be forced to wear their logo? :)

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Why not? Santander has both teams.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Why not? Santander has both teams.

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Oh yes, forgot about that :)

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Originally Posted by Boudica

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

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Well said but the personal sponsorship stuff is bit thick to me.

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Originally Posted by pino

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !

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Is that like a ban but suspended for two years :laugh:

(sorry mate, just joshing yer ;) )

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Originally Posted by pino

anybodyelse.

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Ooooohhhhh, is this our newest member? :D

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Originally Posted by Boudica

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

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Yes - in that way it is...
I can some way even accept if the team make their choice – but I have very difficult accept if they don’t keep their words and contracts with drivers – especially when driver is one of the best..

Ferrari was favouring Kimi 2007, when Felipe didn’t have any chance any more - when there were a couple races left and Kimi was doing a fantastic job. After that has it has been more in Felipe’s favour and I think that every one knows that – I’m sure also Kimi knows it…and feel it.. Now when Felipe is recovering is Kimi again as first driver and doing a very good job.

It’s not fair that as soon as somebody is paying big money to the Ferrari – they starts making trouble for contracted driver(s).

How big Kimis salary is has nothing to do with this, contract is there and both sides have to fulfil it – if Ferrari wants to kick their latest world champion – they must in any case pay Kimi in accordance with the contract – so why don’t let him also make his job.. :)

A question here. :)

If (make that a big IF) all the speculation is true, and Ferrari have signed Alonso to run alongside Massa for next year......is there anything that is stopping Ferrari from just sitting Kimi for the year instead of letting him go to Mac or elsewhere. If they're paying him regardless, why let him drive for the competition?

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Originally Posted by Firstgear

A question here. :)

If (make that a big IF) all the speculation is true, and Ferrari have signed Alonso to run alongside Massa for next year......is there anything that is stopping Ferrari from just sitting Kimi for the year instead of letting him go to Mac or elsewhere. If they're paying him regardless, why let him drive for the competition?

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Don't you think F1 contracts will usually contain clauses saying that if the driver doesn't get to drive in F1, it will get terminated early, either automatically or on the driver's initiative, possibly with a monetary fine in one direction or the other? I don't know if they do, but since the contracts are negotiated between the different parties, I doubt they will be completely one-sided and leave the driver completely at the team's whim.