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7th July 2009, 18:15
BTCC2

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Yep, no doubt but I'm just interested in how big F1/Ferrari really is in Italy. Based on what I saw, F1 is a bigger thing here in Finland than it is in Italy.

I was lucky enough to be in Italy in I think it was 2002 when Michael Schumacher won in the Ferrari at Imola and the streets were full of people driving round with Ferrari flags hanging out of the car and people jumping around in the streets.
7th July 2009, 19:04
Tazio

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Put plainly, a true Tifosi will support Ferrari no matter who drivers for the team. You can have 2 d!cks in the drivers seats, but the team is still sacred. I still support Ferrari to the hilt, even though currently they have a driver who doesnt meet my approval.

As I have stated numerous times on this Forum I will pull for any driver Ferrari trots out there.

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Originally Posted by henners

You are very right when you say his record qualifies him as the best, but his career was not perfect. He once said he is a totally different person inside the cockpit, and a person he may not always like. I think its a bit harsh to accuse a fellow ferrari fan of not being 'true' because they have an opinion that MS was not a good sportsman. That claim is not unfounded and without reason of course, so this reaction is a little rich.

Ferrari is about nostalgia and history and so much more than MS alone. Some of the greatest drivers in the history of grand prix racing have had the prancing horse on the bonnet, so I think being a Tifosi should be about Ferrari rather than the MS years (1996-2006)...IMO

Chill out guys

I joined this conversation a little late so perhaps I spoke out of place I'm 55 I'm aware of Ferrari and their storied past. Seen a lot of the greats drive for them including Jean Alesi, Alain Prost, Niki Lauda, Gerhard Berger,
Nigel Mansell, Gilles Villeneuve, Jody Scheckter and Jacky Ickx, with vague memories of Hill and Surtees, just to mention a few.

But my comment was in support of Ioan's in the context of the current crop of Ferrari drivers. You could make negative comments about the sportsmanship of a few of the others I listed. The point is Ferrari fans don't really give a shi+.
We prefer results.

BTW Why did you suggest while quoting my post the need to chill.
I don't believe I was the least bit agitated :confused:
Peace my man!
7th July 2009, 21:54
Tazio

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Originally Posted by henners88

I wasn't necessarily telling you to chill Tazio, its just the way all these threads seem to end up once a debate kicks in. Someone has a difference of opinion often regarding Ferrari and then the chosen few naturally retaliate by bringing Lewis Hamilton into the equation and what a bad boy he is, and those lying Mclaren boys are a load of 'wrong-un's' etc etc.. It all just starts getting stale and boring. I mentioned MS just to simply state that people should look further into the past to get a sense of what Ferrari is all about. You know this only too well being a man of 55 so please don't feel I was suggesting you were foaming at the mouth with anger during the previous posts. ;)

You say Ferrari fans don't give a sh*t well I think on the contrary they are very emotional as a group as they will defend ferrari to the hilt regardless of facts. The passion is obviously there in order for them to be cassed as a Tifosi I would imagine. I'm just a fan btw :)

PS why was Hill mentioned along with all the other ex-Ferrari drivers?

I hear what you’re saying that's why I stay out of these threads after they start morphing (which they inevitably do) ;)
As to my “give a $hit” reference;
I was simply overstating that Ferrari Fans are apt to overlook “alleged cheating” and other innuendo, if the end result is a championship!
I’ll never knock Patrese or Williams for the help he gave Mansell!

BTW I was referring to Phil Hill ;)
8th July 2009, 06:22
pino

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Talking about Tifosis, how many Tifosis are there in Italy? Could some of our Italian posters shed light on the matter. We foreigners hear that Italy is Ferrari mad and full of Tifosis... Well I was in Italy in 2008 and watched a race in a bar and people didn't seem to care that much about F1, the overwhelming majority in the bar I was didn't bother to watch the two Ferraris leading. And when Massa won the race there were no vespas going around with Italian/Ferrari flags. When Italy won a football game, things were quite different.

First of all most italian are watching F1 at home, not in a Bar or Pub. Then F1 fans in Italy are acting a bit different than crazy football fans. Also considering that Ferrari have won a lot in the past 10 years, their fans are used to see them on top podium, and they don't get too excited anymore :p :

As for how many "Tifosi" lives in Italy, I can't answer that but the average TV spectators for a F1 GP at the moment is about 9 mill, and I believe that 95% of them are Ferrari Fans. So I don't think that F1 in Finland is bigger than in Italy, but if you still not sure about it...visit Monza for the Italian GP then ;)
8th July 2009, 06:30
pino

btw Tifosi means Fans and if you're referring to 1 fan so it's 1 tifoso...so I am a tifoso ;)
8th July 2009, 07:18
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by pino

btw Tifosi means Fans and if you're referring to 1 fan so it's 1 tifoso...so I am a tifoso ;)

Thanks for the info.
8th July 2009, 07:40
Dzeidzei

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're full of hate even if you deny it, you're no Ferrari fan either as you can't seem to grasp anything about what Ferrari stands for.

This thread is becoming both hilarious and sad. I thought -as you guys seem to claim- that a true tifoso love´s Ferrari no matter who´s driving. So in theory a fan could dislike MS just as you dislike Kimi. And that´s perfectly fine. Just dont get so damn hypocrite about it. Very few people here have opinions as colored and biased as you. And even that´s fine. It does make reading the forum more fun, believe me.

Id never call myself a tifoso. Ive always cheered for the Finnish drivers and their teams at the time. But I do like Ferrari and know their meaning to the sport. I did cheer for the team before and just loved Alesi in red. But I never liked MS. He´s without a doubt the greatest F1 driver ever, but a lot about him and the way he competed is disgraceful. Still he lifted Ferrari to glory and needs huge credit for that.

And most of all, its only sport. Good fun on Sundays at its best. Lately mainly sad political bullsiht.
8th July 2009, 09:06
pino

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

This thread is becoming both hilarious and sad. I thought -as you guys seem to claim- that a true tifoso love´s Ferrari no matter who´s driving. So in theory a fan could dislike MS just as you dislike Kimi. And that´s perfectly fine. Just dont get so damn hypocrite about it. Very few people here have opinions as colored and biased as you. And even that´s fine. It does make reading the forum more fun, believe me.

Id never call myself a tifoso. Ive always cheered for the Finnish drivers and their teams at the time. But I do like Ferrari and know their meaning to the sport. I did cheer for the team before and just loved Alesi in red. But I never liked MS. He´s without a doubt the greatest F1 driver ever, but a lot about him and the way he competed is disgraceful. Still he lifted Ferrari to glory and needs huge credit for that.

And most of all, its only sport. Good fun on Sundays at its best. Lately mainly sad political bullsiht.

Great post that I almost agree with :up:
8th July 2009, 10:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

This thread is becoming both hilarious and sad. I thought -as you guys seem to claim- that a true tifoso love´s Ferrari no matter who´s driving. So in theory a fan could dislike MS just as you dislike Kimi.

I don't dislike Kimi, however I strongly believe that he should do better in that Ferrari he drives.

From this up to posting BS like jas did about MS there is a long way, and he has a history of hateful posts towards MS.

The problem of the Kimi fans, as I see it, is that as soon as someone dares to question his performance you get very touchy and start to be personal with the poster even if he never ever did insult you or Kimi for that matter.
If you guys manage to take criticism the way Kimi can do it than I think we will get along well, if you continue feeling like you were Kimi's family members and need to shoot anyone who criticizes him, that I'm afraid that this place will never be a place you will like.
8th July 2009, 15:32
ioan

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think you may have missunderstood what was said here because you are virtually repeating what Dzeidzei is saying but on a different side.. Kimi fans may get touchy when their driver is being criticised but the same can be said for MS fans like yourself.

The difference being that so called Ferrari fans accuse MS of some dreamed up never verified things while all we say about Kimi is that he isn't performing well enough.

Tell me why is anyone getting stroppy when you say their fave driver is slow and that is true?!

How does that compare with saying MS should stay home because jasxyz doesn't like him?

Spot the difference?

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