mmm top guys always defended more powerful and fun car, they ll stay on that line.
(with all the reasons, imho)
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mmm top guys always defended more powerful and fun car, they ll stay on that line.
(with all the reasons, imho)
I don't think 'moving to Rally2' should take the blame for 'reduced salaries'. Too much other stuff going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
If the competion will increase, more teams, more sponsors, more recognition, more spectacle, more on the line... That only means that salaries will go up and not down.
Paid from the magic money tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
not so sure. i see wrc getting more like erc, u'know? more competitors (unless new promote goes crazy on the entry fees), but it feels like its going to be more about racers spending their money to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
im fine with that. if ERC can attract tons of entries and have good competition, WRC will have no problem there
I agree. I cant see the older guys like Ogier, Neuville, Evans (& Tanak) wanting to drop down to Rally2 speed after 10 years in the WRC / Rally1 Cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Also a lot depends if Hyundai and M-Sport stay and if they promise to build WRC27 Cars asap.
It's not like they will have a choice, so they will all just do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
If they were like over 40, yes. Someone might call it quits. But only Ogier and Sordo are, but Sordo is not a real player here, Ogier doesn't have any other plans and I think also isn't as hungry as Loeb for many different trophies. Ogier I think he want to have another title to be the greatest in WRC ever. Maybe then he will start thinking that he might actually be done. Or if Toyota will no longer needing him, as he also provides valuable manufacturer points (I honestly think that all other guys at Toyota could just do well without him). But right now we all need Ogier, as he is title contender and bring some spectacle to the sport. Recently two of those left the sport, and we wait so long to have such a big number of champions competing at the world stages. Maybe Solberg could join the club, but until then Ogier can stay.
After 10 years of big power and huge aero, the cars allowed in 2027 will be a huge drop for these older guys. It will be a massive change and quite a lot to adapt to an inferior machine.
There's also the fact that they'll have to compete with all the other former Rally2 drivers on the same level and no longer being one of the elite in the top cars.
Or maybe some of them will be afraid that they will be losing against these WRC2 guys, as WRC will no longer be gatekeeped by lack of seats and huge jump in performance.
Didn't somewhere says that something will need to be happened with new cars, since early "data" shows it would be slower than current Rally2 cars. Yes we will have maybe 6-8 of these cars (if we count Toyota 6 and 2 of Prospeed, haha). But also considering that Hyundai and M-Sport will have bigger budgets, better preparations than all other guys. But it's possible that those elite drivers will not be so elite anymore.
Renault continues to cut down their motorsport activities and after axing F1 engines, they are pulling out of WEC and Dakar/W2RC at the end of this year. So there goes any hopes of their return in top class rallying (but I choose to be in delusion and I hope they just want to join a motorsport where they can sell the cars to customers).
Clio would be just perfect for WRC. And I don't mean Rally3.
or the new r5 turbo, if we go to spaceframes. It's electric, but we can use the bodywork.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
https://static.moniteurautomobile.be...5_turbo_3e.jpg
Ford to revive the Fiesta, but it too will be EV-only...
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/f...rd-fiesta-2028
But one Hyundai market is happy to pay emissions fines to keep selling the N Cars with petrol power...
https://torquecafe.com/hyundai-petro...ions-in-fines/
rumors about m-sport leaving ford to go to china...strange it has not come out here!
(https://www.instagram.com/p/DU7ueihjQjU/) -don't think very reliable source...-
That's more reliable, as it's the magazine's website itself: https://www.tuttorally.news/ford-dice-addio-al-wrc/Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
This is just a re-hash of the story from months ago (no Ford, possible Chinese brand coming) which Rich Millener said had no truth.
The Italian site is using the silence and information void and making assumptions.There's still no hard evidence or quotes from M-Sport.
Also Jon did recently a video talking about Wilson hinting at new manufacturer commiting to WRC27 (for those who don't know who that is, check out his channel on YT, Maximum Attack Rallying - he is kinda rallying influencer, yes we got one too).
It isn't mentioned anything else just that there is one manufacturer, which isn't involved in WRC right now.
I was searching for that interview but sadly can't find it anywhere (I think that it was mentioned Autosport).
And Lynk&Co have latest hint, so there is a place where is smoke.
There is multiple sites in different languages which have random rumours about Wilson, Lynk&Co, M-Sport, Ford, and that's it. We will see what is true, if there is actually "new manufacturer at all".
It was Autocar, and MW is quoted as saying:Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
"The new 2027 technical regulations - which will allow top-level manufacturer teams to design and build their own cars ... ...Right now, one new manufacturer has committed to participating that isn’t involved this season and another is very close."
He didn't explain the constructor/tuner thing so IMO he talks of Project Rally1 plus somebody else being close.
The above is just a prototype of how the car would look. It's not a prototype for testing, that hasnt been built yet.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/first...-car-revealed/
Lmao what a great photoshop skills. It reminds me the 00s/10s virtual tuning trend, where people were photoshoping tuning parts on photo of cars.
Did they just decide to troll DirtFish?
It's the one of three renders from December with photoshopped parts btw, if it wasn't clear to someone
Is it April Fools?
:D this is appalling. What a time to be alive. I'm off now to pour chlorine into my eyes.
can i have one with bigger wheel arch, please? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
I though reading the article they'd put panels and lights on some existing chassis, to show how their car will look. But instead it's nothing but a really poor render. Ridiculous.
but manufacturers said there wasnt enough time to build new cars for 2027... and then these guys may build cars for 2027? what happening? tho im still hoping we only get R5s for next year tbh... even toyota! just run your R5s, its fine, its fine
What
I'm still confused with this project. Many people have said it resembles a Porsche Macan, which says one of four things is happening.
a) If it is to be a Porsche Macan, Porsche will be involved. But why would they want Skoda headlights (or just one lol) and why would they back an idea with a Skoda engine (despite if it being necessary by regs)? Not a great branding exercise.
b) If it is to be a ProjectRally Macan, truer to 'tuner' stuff, Porsche will have given license for the bodywork and Macan name, but still why the Skoda headlight?
c) If no Macan branding but Porsche have given license for the bodywork, then why did ProjectRally go with the Macan design?
d) If they are doing all this without even talking to Porsche, surely they're just in for a bad time.
I think somewhere in the middle of season of 2027 they will bring some cars to the field or if not then there will be ready for 2028. Toyota could be the only one who could actually make a car in time, but they will not contest against themselves, and let's be honest, who can challenge them with Rally2 car? So I think that there will all involved run Rally2 cars until more teams will enter. M-Sport could be on the way of transitioning their car brand (as rumours suggest) and until they will not fix that, they will not start building the car. Hyundai I think will leave, especially if they will be beaten this year (there is strong chance it will happen, as we see they are worse than last year) or run programme with Rally2 cars and private team. Nobody takes seriously Prospeed at all, so I think we can't expect much from them, and surely they will not be ready. I think that everyone is waiting Promoter thing, so we can just hope the sport will not die or be put on hold for next year. That 10 tuner thing isn't real, I just can't believe, because WRC have not been that lucky.
With Prospeed and Toyota there is the same number of manufacturers as 2011 with a new spec car. Same year allowed teams to run the manufacturers cars and the lower class cars. Same year the promoter went bump after it had purchased the previous promoter and was losing money each year since. The previous years had cars that were 'too expensive', 'too big, 'too dirty'... and no new manufacturers so something had to be done.
The following years had an even newer promoter, teams, formats, cars.... History might not rhyme, it maybe repeats itself but it doesn't stand still... 2027-2030ish could be as rocky as 2011-2013.
I don't think we'll see the works Rally2s next year that people are expecting.
I guess I'm moving more and more into the "none of that actually matter" camp. If Rally2s are the TopClass for 2027, it doesnt matter what other manufacturers, Msport, Toyota, Hyundai or constructors do. Theres Rally2s for anyone with Money and Interest!
Thats positive IMO
Whose got money and interest to rally the world in Rally2? That's negative IMO.
With Rally2 Car drivers being able to enter the WRC top class, many will be more interested and able to raise more money from sponsors.
But enough to do the whole calendar maybe not. So Manufacturers / Tuners with paid drivers are needed.
But if theres nothing above Rally2, then it is the 'top class'. Racers will not mind spending their own money seeing how they do at the 'top level'.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
THO I agree with Eddie. Probably not many full timers.... Which is not an issue for me personally. Im one of the ERC fanboys.
Quotes from Emilia Abel, FIA road sport director, including:
"The long-term plan, however, is for the new-generation cars to form the premier class, with Rally2 becoming a separate category.
As of today, 2027 is in place, but it depends a lot on how quickly and how many new cars come. If there is an option that a separate class is possible, then they will definitely get it,” Abel said.
https://rallyjournal.com/intriguing-...r-wrcs-future/
RC1 will return with enough players and WRC27 is faster than Rally2. Who knew!?