Besides Nordic countries, snow rally could be easily organized either on Hokkaido or Canada. Maybe to have 2-3 snow rallies in season.
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Besides Nordic countries, snow rally could be easily organized either on Hokkaido or Canada. Maybe to have 2-3 snow rallies in season.
The one thing missing here was a bit more variety in stages, the first stage on saturday had slightly different character, but rest were kind of all very similar.
In Sweden around Torsby you had the more narrower and twisty stages on Friday with often more snow, then the more jumpy and wide ones in Sweden and in between superspecial with diferent characters.
Dunno how easy it is to get a different character in the area and for sure they didn't do super specials with COVID this year.
Based on driver's comments I'm not agree with that. From TV it all seems "fast and white", but there were definitely really narrow parts and really wide and fast parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
It was a good event but with the prices to go there for a lot of us that normally go to Sweden and the cold normally I'm not sure they could run it without a lot of sponsor money up there. I can rent a car in Spain for a whole week of the cost of one day in Rovaniemi...
Few random takeaways from Tänak's interview to Estonian media (https://sport.delfi.ee/news/auto/wrc...?id=92701539):
* after winter rally in Estonia Tänak told to manegemtn/engineers that they don't have car to fight for the win in Lapland
* pushed a lot of engineers for 2 weeks
* in PowerStage he didn't have enough confidence and will to take extra risks to find extra 2 seconds for fighting for powerstage win
I would disagree about Sweden. There's not a distinct character of the Friday stages (often in Norway) and the ones on Saturday. If something, the Norway stages are faster and the Hagfors area stages more technical. Especially Vargåsen is a stage which probably looks super fast on TV, but all the beginning of the stage is just super narrow and twisty stuff. But usually there's a bit of everything everywhere, and all stages combine different road types. Torsby is a good example, it's first super twisty, then super fast and then again twisty like a super special.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
As for Arctic Rally Finland, I recommend watching through an onboard of each stage. They all have super fast sections, and they all have technical sections, in different mixes (like power stage had very little slow sections, and SS3+6 had quite little fast stuff). They rarely have something that's in between. The first stage was probably the most varied with many different characters. This is the character of the area and you cannot change it. Long straights, high speeds, narrow roads, going over hills instead of having big jumps.
I would like ARF to remain in the WRC, but I just don't see two rounds in Finland happening persistently, I don't see the events alternating with each other, and for sure I don't see Jyväskylä Rally Finland being dropped off for good.
I liked the night stages here also thanks to their character with those low crests which are high enough to block the lights but not high enough to block driver's visibility in the day. It makes them like different stages when watched in the night.
Watching the complete RC2 results with 36 finishers I can see that the whole top 10 was totally dominated by Nordic drivers (4 Finns, 3 Norwegians, 1 Russian, 1 Estonian, 1 Swede). The first one from lower-located countries is Prokop on 11th place but than up to place 15 there are another 3 Finns and 1 Estonian. 16th is 58 years old and now very rarely competing Michal Solowow. Hats off to the old man :)
Wasn´t you showing (from other) stages around Östersund area? Analyzis from those stages, which are classics, should get a different view of Rally Sweden...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Sweden will move north, so all of the old stages will be history.
I think they will have to move out of Värmland and to Dalarna I guess, maybe Sälen and Trysil, if Norway is to have a role still.
Without knowing, I am guessing the power stage was the first one he was allowed to go 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
And since this was only a rally to show potential, but get to the end to get ss km in a WRCar.
Letting him go max on one stage is smart, he had little to loose, having crossed all boxes before the Power Stage.
That he went over the limit several times, and in the end one time too much, is part of the learning curve.
He was lucky, and only lost a place to Taka, saw the finish line, and had a absolute ball the whole weekend!
And Oliver is as Petter was, a PR master!
Next rally will be in a R5 and then hopefully in a Rally2. Maybe he will get 1 or 2 more rallies in the top class this year, lets see!
I post that comment when he had a big moment on the heli view. It was shortly before he went off. That was just a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
The event was put together in a very short time. There are more roads in the area, but no time to include those in such short notice. But like many here said, unlikely that Finland will have regulary two eventsQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
kind of same comments in english for dirtfish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWySvlqu6UQQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
they tried as late as shakedown some new things and those worked
Did anyone notice what was going in the corner of the eye of Teemu Suninen ? Bugged me everytime I saw it.
Finland have the capacity to organize two rallies per season, if they are allowed. No doubt.
They have many upsides. Same people doing events. Clear structure on everything needed, weather it is in Rovaniemi or Jyväskylä. Efficient work with people knowing how rallies should be organized.
And I have inside info they have no problems doing it twice a year.
just to mention the last stage at Monte.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Marketing-wise it's a nogo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
What those two have in common is that he went off both times...maybe better to drive to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It's WORLD championship. They can't have two rallies in a country with such a small car market moreover when one is in so remote place. Now there's covid but normally they need to get thousands of fans there somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Quite a big Lappi moment on the start of the vid. Sadly there are almost no onboards from him on WRC+Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Breen’s driving style was “upsetting” car
Discovery was made before Artic Rally Finland powerstage, on which Hyundai's returning driver then went second fastest
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/breen...upsetting-car/
Post-Event press conference:
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-o-tanak...ome-wrc-points
Still bad habits from Citroen daysQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Almost? I thought he didn’t have a camera in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So here we are again. You like to be opponent, don´t you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Can´t have two rallies? I strongly believe two wellorganized spectacular rallies, one in the winter, one in the summer and even more historic, is enough of argument having two rallies in Finland.
Even carmakers are well enough that intelligent knowing more cars are sold when winning. Not where they are winning.
I didn't find any onboard from Friday and Saturday, didn't check Sunday. But they probably don't have time to install the kits between the legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There are some news there:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
- Solberg wont be in WRC car on next rally (not really big news, also it's Adamo, so you never know)
- Neuville will do a rally in R5 in Italy to get better cooperation with codriver
- Adamo decided he will ask Solberg to drive WRC during PowerStage in Monte (weird... the power stage where Solberg went out before posting a single splittime?)
As I know there will be some anticut obstacles but as low as possible. I made more than 10 rallys in Croatia as codriver and there is always big factor how many punctures you get through rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
First on road will definetly be advantage.
Edit: double post, sorry
No, it's not working like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I managed to predict the Arctic Rally Finland winner average speed quite accurately. Here's some reflection and comparing of the estimations and real data
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/02/...-finland-pace/
They can't install kits during the rally. This comes from someone within WRC+.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
The power stage where he noticed Toyota is taking all the top positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
It's a bit off-topic here, but some more arguments or view-points for "too many rallies in the same region" and "car market is not big enough":
* corona - at the moment rallies are where someone is able to organize and deliver them, car market is not important
* previously Rally Estonia was not imaginable because "it's too close to Finland", now both are in calendar - car market in Estonia basically does not exist, it's equal to rounding-mistakes for big corporations. What is important - fans, attitude, environment, will to provide. I remember some sentences like - "finally rally is moving to places where it belongs and where it must go - close to fans and areas, where it's important and expected". You may organize rally in some "big car market country", but if nobody cares and it does not get media attention there, then what is the point?
yeah that sounds like the best explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
EDIT: It also illustrates that Adamo's priority is Hyundai, always. Drivers are a tool to get Hyundai good result. (see Breen, Huttunen....)
Exactly. Corona won't be a thing next year (hopefully) and all politics and marketing will get back to their rails.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Arctic was in the calendar purely and only because of the cancellation of Sweden due to corona. It's wrong to think there were other reasons.
+10Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
That´s the way it is. Can be discussed further in another thread...