Subaru return ? Vague rumour but at least it's being spoken about...
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Subaru return ? Vague rumour but at least it's being spoken about...
https://www.drive.com.au/news/subaru...leResults1News
Jämtlands län region which has Østersund in the middle are looking for sponsors for 22-24
https://www.facebook.com/samlingnari...2047680389182/
Not even a rumour. Could be reality. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
And to those who are not so familiar with Sweden's geography, this would mean a location way higher up North and most likely better snow conditions.
Hopefully it survives up there, they will probably loose quite a lot of spectators since it will be twice the distance for a lot of people that normally go from Norway and not much rally interest and no events around Trondheim, better than Luleå anyway.
I would say: give it a go. It will be marvelous. I know the stages up there is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
It's alot easier to acess östersund area for Europeans like myself than going to Luleå. Hopefully the organisation can get the funding together. All we need now is for Rally Sweden to announce next year's dates. I hear alot of rumors on social media they are keeping Torsby for 2021 with stages based towards Malung area.
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As the Jämtland people said, they're only aiming for 2022. It's a big process to put up a new rally out of nothing. 2021 will still be Torsby-based for sure.
If they're taking it really serious, I'm expecting them to hold a rally one of a few weeks before Rally Sweden next year.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-w...nd-in-circles/
Once again, David Evans says WRC should start running on Rally2 cars...also rumors that Hyundai might quit when hybrids arrive.
True. They do Snow Rally once a year. Could be that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Östersund has own airport. For spectators from Nordic countries coming by car distances are quite resonable.
Östersund and distances by car;
Trondheim - Östersund is about 260K
Sundsvall - Östersund 190K
Stockholm (Arlanda) - Östersund 530K
Compared to Rally Finland coming by ferry to Turku or Helsinki you have to travel about 300-330K to Jyväskylä.
David Evans (Dirtfish) keep pushing this rally 2 idea out there. Almost OTT about it considering I haven't heard of any chance of that now happening.....Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
The drivers don't want it, I was under the impression the teams don't want it, and neither do the FIA/stakeholders?
Could Dirtfish have some agenda with this? Would they benefit from Rally2 becoming the main class?
I can't see how they would benefit..., but the way they are continually forcing the issue makes it seem that way?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
This has been going on for months now.
I find it even stranger because I was sure Evans was always huge on the spectacle of the current top class, and always recognised the need to go hybrid or move in that direction of some sort.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but perhaps there's someone in the background behind David Evans/ Dirtfish, that are wanting this agenda pushed? Dirtfish is the perfect outlet to do that, but christ knows who that could be.
Only benefit is clicks and eyes on their website :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Maybe this article timing, only a few days after a long interview with Mr. Wilson (a public defender of a R5+ concept) isn’t a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Anyway, what puzzles me is to see Evans forgetting to mention that ’22 rules were developed by the FIA on a permanent compromise with the teams; most likely none is 100% happy and all are worried about Covid impacts but we can still remember hearing them refusing to delay the new rules, arguing that manus are eager to have Hybrids on the stages: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-spo...wrc-spectacle/.
Craig Breen agreed with former Subaru sporting director and Toyota team manager George Donaldson when he urged WRC to give consideration to running Rally2 cars.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/breen...rally2-future/
George Donaldson is also with Dirtfish, in case you didn't know.
Hardly a shock that a driver without a full time seat would support that move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
However I doubt his opinion would be the same if he gets that Hyundai 3rd seat ;)
In the ever repeating discussion about listening to current teams vs planning for the future I have to side with the future prospects.
Current teams will favor a solution which is cheapest to them at the moment and gets the maximum return for the (already invested) money.
As mentioned by Dirtfish themselves any current team can suddenly disappear. In fact, it's the usuall progress. Every team that has been there disappeared after a few years, either fast (if they are not competetive) or slower (if they are competetive and dont see the point of getting 5th, 10th, 15th title).
Only MSport breaks that rule and that's cause it's a private company and not a manu team.
With hybrid rules WRC can for once be somewhat on the curve of "progress" (or "change" if that's what you prefer to call it) in the automotive industry. Even though as was said first Prius was introduced over 20 years ago. How exactly the rules should like is off course another matter. For me electric-turbo only with some small battery would also work.
Change to R5+ without any hybridization is a road to (unlikely) short term gain (1-2 years) and long term oblivion. In that case I'd even say it's better to postpone the introduction of hybrid rules by one year and just keep the current ones until then.
Monza emerges as 2020 WRC finale candidate
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/monza...season-finale/
Wise words...….Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Breen still confident of 3rd Hyundai seat at Ypres:
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...on-ypres-rally
I don't think there's anything particularly sinister to it. David Evans is well connected and close to various people in the service park. If Andrea Adamo had private concerns about Hyundai pulling out, he'd never say it publicly, but over a meal and some wine, would he discuss that risk with Evans? I can imagine it. That's not to say that Hyundai are pulling out and Adamo wouldn't know at this point, but it's something I could imagine coming up in a private conversation between the two. Something that could influence Evan's thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Of course we know that David Evans will be close to Malcolm Wilson and would I imagine be trusted to know Malcolm's true feelings on things. Malcolm for example probably knows that it's highly unlikely that he's going to be able to sell any real number of Rally1 Fiestas, plus the Covid situation has caused a lot of further uncertainty. Obviously he knows the true nature of the relationship with Ford. There's no doubt in my mind that Evans will know more about the reality of their situation than he could directly report in order to protect the trust between them. But if Malcolm truly isn't sure about how the 2022 regs will work for M-Sport, short of announcing publicly they won't be there, Evans will probably know that and it'll shape his reporting accordingly.
that.At current situation Malcolm is impossible to sell wrc cars to privateers.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
If r5 cars(or similar) was the top category,would be a totaly different situation for his company.
Just no...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
While it's a nice show event, it's definitely not a rally that should decide any titles. Lately half of the positions in top 10 get decided by who gets more or less penalties for touching barrels in articifical turns.
Yes. Monza is fine for a super special stage or the show event, but not for a whole WRC event
Could they combine stages from nearby, like these?
https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Trofeo-Aci-Como-2018
https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-1000-Miglia-2020
Greece wants Acropolis return:
https://dirtfish.com/archive/loeb-co...cropolis-push/
This. rumored to be ComoQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Some cracking opinions on Evans and pushing the R5+ class. I just think he's a little worried and he's trying to express what his concerns are, nothing more than that. I don't blame him, to be honest.
Interesting is his point on the fuel savings by using an e-Turbo versus anti lag - I wonder why that's not been pooposed as part of the new regulations, if it is as straightforward as he says.
"It's reckoned 15% of a rally car’s in-stage consumption is fired in and pointlessly exploded while the car’s turbo is kept spinning off-throttle. An electric turbo would have done away with that and improved the consumption by 15%. Such a saving would surely dwarf the benefit of a car through a town in electric mode."
This Evans quote is quite telling -
is the future of WRC to be decided between merely appearing "green" with hybrid, or being actually "green-er" with R5+ and also saving costs to the teams ?
The electric turbo usage has been mentioned in this forums several times, at least.
If the future would be based on the R5s, then FIA should already start reorganising the new Rally1-2-3-4 tier system and name Rally2 cars Rally1, Rally3 to Rally 2 and Rally4 to Rally3. So you'd get expensive 4WD class, "budget" 4WD and the entry 2WD class.
But personally think the same what has been said on this forums tens of times. If the R5/Rally2 formula becomes the top tier, the costs will fly through the sky and become less affordable for the less wealthy. It won't be like the category is at the moment.
The manufacturers don't benefit from the electric turbo even though it would make the sport greener. They cannot market electric turbo replacing polluting anti-lag because, well, anti-lag isn't really used on road cars. But hybrids...
With electric turbo and lower consumption we would be getting less noise from the cars.
While you are right that there is quite a difference in marketing potential electric turbos are now used in some production Audis.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I thought the main reason for Monza was that they could easily lock it from the public. Would be harder on the roads around Lago di Como but maybe not impossible sinc it's so narrow and steep everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Ryan Champion on the latest AR podcast says that M-Sport have a new-spec engine and a new aero pakage ready to go.
But as they have unused current-spec engines and unused current aero parts, for financial reasons, they are continuing to use these up first.
The new engines (and probably the aero) wont be put into the Fiesta WRC until Monte Carlo 2021.
yeah. at the moment in Italy is like everything rally-related is locked. but no-one can stop you to stroll in the woods. as in ERC Rome. Let's see if the control gets tighter in Sardinia...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight