Well, often 9-11th stagetimes. And didn´t survive the rally. But more important, he is from a country that loves motorsport. And has the resources... Let´s wait and see what the learning curve brings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
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Well, often 9-11th stagetimes. And didn´t survive the rally. But more important, he is from a country that loves motorsport. And has the resources... Let´s wait and see what the learning curve brings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I know this might be a bit harsch, but bashing Pontus like you do deserves this:Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Put them beside each other and let them race on equal conditions. Pontus will be faster 9 out of 10.
No brakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Ogier accuses Adamo of taking Hyundai WRC Portugal tactics too far
World Rally Championship leader Sebastien Ogier has accused Hyundai team principal Andrea Adamo of taking a tactical approach too far on Rally of Portugal.
After fuel-related problems on the opening day left Hyundai drivers Sebastien Loeb and Dani Sordo down the order, Adamo used the regulations to manipulate those cars into a starting position which would offer team-mate Thierry Neuville a cleaner road.
On both Saturday and Sunday, Hyundai ordered Sordo and Loeb to check in late and run between Ogier and Neuville on the road, giving the Belgian his advantage.
Speaking in the post-event press conference in Matosinhos, Ogier said he had no problem with those tactics.
But he then added: "But today we can be lucky, or we can thank one man which is Dani Sordo, because there were some much more mean tactics were supposed to happen. "But luckily he [Sordo] refused.
"I got the information, not from any drivers - I have my sources - that this great gentleman that is Andrea Adamo asked him [Sordo] to stop in the stage and start in front of Kris [Meeke]. That was really mean."
Ogier also believed there was a plan for Sordo to pull over during Sunday's first stage to allow Neuville a clearer run without the hindrance of dust.
Ogier explaned to Autosport: "It was in the first stage this morning.
"In the stage, I don't know at which point, he [Sordo] was supposed to pull over in the stage; take the start then pull over and this would give Thierry a four-minute gap [with no dust]."
The Citroen driver pointed out that the tactic would have directly affected Meeke's run through the stage.
Ogier said: "It's OK, but then to restart in front of Kris, you then fuck Kris because he would be in the really bad dust. That's mean."
Contacted for a response, Adamo told Autosport he would not comment on such "low-level accusations."
Neuville finished the event in second place, one place ahead of Ogier - who retained his lead of the championship with a powerstage win.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...yundai-tactics
ahh thats why he was basically in tears after last stage i suppose.
It's fair, and I might sound a little ignorant... I don't have anything against Pontus per se (he was the only driver to agree to a photo at the service park a couple years back), and surely in a straight fight in R5's Pontus would wipe the floor with Gus. I just reckon the Swede's cautious approach to his debut drives weren't exactly the wisest options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
What do you mean, in R5 machinery?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Ogier cracked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
Seems its hard for him to be slower from 3 championship contenters,and wait for retirements to be good placed.
This is the reason that regardless championships won,he will not be the most favoured ever.
Or just crash :(Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Ogier is the guy that introduced exploiting the rules for PS position in Sweden 2018 so that FIA had to change the rules. This year (again in Sweden) he introduced exploiting starting position for restarting cars to slot just ahead of teammates.
And now he talks about dirty tactics that did not happen...
If Sordo really was instructed it's off course really bad, but we have no proof. Had it happened it's quite likely FIA would have done something afterwards.
More likely explanation yes. Combined with getting trolled by Tänak on PS for Sardinia starting position.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
He just spew out some theories to put the focus on the other "bad guys".
Any rallycar.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
i am curious how is going to prove all these.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
i am very curious to see also if he is going to say good words about Tanak at future interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Till now Tanak was the only driver he was kind
im feeling for Sordo atm, i guess right now he is being bombed by journalists to comment on this.
if this is really true, then i have lost all the respect to Adamo.
But i guess we will never know the truth.
Come on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Starting later is fine by the rules. Intentionally stopping in the stage is dangerous. It's scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
He would have done the same thing...actually, has done , by not using his starting position in Sweden 2018 for PS points for example...which was commented at that stage end by Tänak like that: "I didn't see him before the stage. Maybe Seb is playing some games to get a better start position?" I think irl he said "dirty games"...
A few events later Ogier was handed a timecard that allowed him to score a win...by Tänak. They aren`t so soft...
If Lappi of Sardinia happens to break just before Neuville, you will not claim ......?
image after the rally
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a) It's not fine by the rules, people get (time) penalties for that. It's just that the penalties don't hurt them.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
b) Intentionally stopping would have been a scandal (but actually not against the written rules afaik) and FIA would have probably reacted....which is likely why it didn't happen.
Seb first got owned by Sordo and Loeb starting in front of him and then Tanak put the final nail in the coffin at the PS.
Ogier is butthurt for sure. Adamo is ruthless by all means whether he ordered Sordo to stop or not. Remember Sordo is really good friends with Meeke so maybe Meeke passed this info along to Ogier.
Good image sequence of the Greensmith jump. Shows clearly that the wheels aren't aligned correctly already while the car is airborne.
https://twitter.com/RichardSimpson1/...45344424570880
what do you mean with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
They get along really well after being teammates.
In Tänak movie Ogier said that he doesnt have many friends in WRC but Ott is one of them.
And the Tänak move at the end of power stage didnt bother him at all IMO. They were already joking and laughing on the podium after the stage and on the ceremonial podium.
Comfortably, if Ogier sees no chance of becoming a champion, he will help Tannak everywhere. I'm sure 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I was referring to the comment of Tänak being the only driver Ogier is kind to, which I think is quite an overstatement. In Finnish interview just before Portugal Lappi said that they get along really well with Ogier, and he really likes to work with him and learn from him. According to Lappi everything is really open between them, and he goes on to say that Ogier is much more nice and friendly than what people usually think of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
ah okay...all clear then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
In a world rally car I'm not super convinced. They have not competed against each other in one and comparing their deficits to the leading stage times, their difference in s/km is negligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Finally resting from 3 fabulous days of another fantastic Rally de Portugal. Beautiful stages, amazing drivers and probably the best cars that ever run the WRC provided the passionate crowds a first class show, proving that we are really living a golden rally era (please FIA, don’t ruin it with expensive Hybrids or useless EV’s).
It’s hard to stand out a crew or a team on this event because here and there they all managed to impress; from the evergreen Sordo to the inexperienced Greensmith, from the usually less fortunate Suninen to the always efficient Tanak, they all deserve hats off. Actually, when we’re spectating the drivers efforts to dominate those incredible machines in the most challenging roads under extreme conditions (I wonder how hot it was inside those cars this weekend), it makes one realize how unfair we tend to be behind a PC, over criticizing their mistakes.
Congrats to the winners and their competitors; a special applause to the organizers for providing us a fantastic event and the return of Arganil legendary routes. It’ll be hard waiting for 2020!
Like Lappi would say that he doesn't get along with his team mate, common.
But I like this rivalry between all of them, it gives some extra spice to this great season. Sport without real rivalry is boring. Adamo's arrivaly is most welcomed from this aspect.
Most likely he wouldn't. But neither would he make it sound any better than it is and certainly wouldn't use expressions he used there. I know my Finnish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pršljen
I believe Ogier's info. Adamo already said he will do whatever it takes to get results.
The tactics his drivers used were already another level to M-Sport's in that they were also to harm the opponents (as well ae improving Neuvilles chances).
It seemed even worse to me as it was Hyundai's cars that broke down on Friday that were then used this to gain the advantage
it was possible to say something different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
The tactics used were exactly the same as Citroen did this year in Sweden (with Ogier), and Toyota did in Mexico (with Latvala ).... and the one who first introduced them was again.... Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
EDIT: Note that I wrote already in Sweden how this is BS and that FIA should add a rule to prevent this or every team will start doing it.
Ogier for sure knew, when he decided to say what he later said, that there's no way to prove whether it was true or not. Despite that he said that. Why would he do that if it was not true? What would he win with that? IMHO he risked being seen ridiculously paranoid or downright mad. It makes no sense to risk that without a reason. Maybe he is playing mind games with Hyundai team where he feels the relations aren't very good or maybe it actually was supposed to happen and he is simply afraid it would come on Sardinia or in any other event.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
None of us knows and most likely we will never know where the truth lies but nevertheless now it's guaranteed that such crazy tactics will not come (no matter if there was any plan for it or not).
Why did Meeke accuse Citroen of getting the stage redflagged for Ogier in Mexico? Cause he was pissed and thought about a conspiracy theory (+ his history with Citroen).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Pretty much same here with Ogier imo, quite a lot of reasons to be pissed:
- beaten on speed by both Tanak and Neuville with Meeke and Latvala on top (on Saturday), sometimes even by Lappi
- own team tactics used against him
- Tanak's breaking on PS
I'm guessing the book of regulations won't be getting more slim any time soon.
if at next rally Neuville say that somebody told him that Citroen/Toyota had planned to stop Lappi/Meeke to create dust for Neuville you will believe it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
You cant say such things without prove.Thats a boomerang.
When journalists are going to ask Sordo, what do you think that he will say?
A i dont comment
B no Adamo didnt asked me to do that.
Ogier just managed to f@ck the atmosphere at wrc.
He just dont like to loose,and we have said it plenty of years .
Well, Meeke just said "probably some dirty tactics from Citroen" after finishing a stage and giving a comment to all live, Ogier was calmly behind his desk and giving factual or "factual" details about what was or "was" supposed to happen. One is just pure emotion burst, other well calculated. Not comparable imho.
If this is going to be allowed in the future and compromises the rally safety, I'm completely with Ogier on this.