Pull yourself together ffs. Even Ogier will have put it behind him nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Pull yourself together ffs. Even Ogier will have put it behind him nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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45-year old Italian co-driver, Giovanni Bernacchini, has been appointed Sporting Director of Abarth Racing.
Using about 2s of thinking.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Sardinia and Argentina last year. First car on Friday lost a lot and then went into Saturday as one of first again and lost again on top of that.
Turning it around for the late starters.
Late starters in Poland last year lost on Friday morning in mud... and then they had to go first in dry-ish on Saturday and lost again. (Breen as reference here)
It happens all the time. Not sure why Sweden suddenly is supposed to be all that different.
This is such a hullabulloo over nothing. If Seb Ogier didn't want to run first on the road in Sweden he didn't 'have to' go and win in Monte Carlo. It is not as if the second round of the championship being in Sweden where it snows a lot was a surprise. He knows the rules as do the rest of them and as ever will be a long season to come.
It was psychological for SebO in Sweden. He thought he was beaten even before the rally started. And he then made it happen that way. All by himself.
If Ogier (M-Sport) wants to start later on Day 1 he can actually make late check in. He could be 7 minutes late right at the first stage in Sweden and be 4th on the road. I guess this would also be an option for better chance to fight for more points.
Like I'm the only one discussing this...Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I dont come on here every day and I have the right to reply to those who have quoted me.
If M-Sport had finished in the top 5, how would you have reacted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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People are so angry to see a non Sébastien champion that forget how it is unfair since they changed that.
And people forget how tactics and team orders taked a big tool to Loeb reach those 9 titles.
So, as Ford fan, i said: even in VW i was against such rule. By your ideas, KKK never won 4, Tommi same. This is not to be fair, this sport, and the pure best need win! Call him Seb, Thierry or Ott...
Tactics, yes. But team orders? I don't think Loeb ever needed it since he never had a teammate who was faster than him..Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Umm, Ogier?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Right, I almost forgot... :D So indeed some team orders for one of the 9 titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
And Sordo backing off on Catalunya 2009 which was quite crucialQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Loeb was great but he wasn't invincible.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
There were instances where team orders were employed, like this one: https://uk.reuters.com/article/rally...8FS04B20120428
Also in 2011 Hirvonen narrowly lost out on winning the championship. In Argentina he was only 2.4 seconds behind Loeb at the finish and that one result could have turned the championship to his favor if he had found that time during the rally.
Ogier wasn't faster when he was in Citröen. We can say he could challenge Loeb but we can't say he was faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Ogier at least won rallies while driving in the same team as Loeb. Sordo did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What years have the points scores been changed and start positions/ qualifying stage etc?
You could say that but in the end he was ahead of him several times and he was told to let Loeb pass. So there was quite a bit of tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That still didn't make him faster than Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Uh, I remember this one, he nearly broke his car down 2-3 times before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OHL
Paddon interviewwith NZ sport radio -Saturday 3/3 Paddon is back in NZ for the autumn
Paddon discusses Sweden. Bland vanilla interview. Only comment of note id that Paddon hints the car was designed for Neuville's driving style (Mikkelsen' driving style closer to Neuville's than Paddons is too Mikkelsen's)?
http://www.radiolive.co.nz/home/arti...missed-it.html (Page down to bottom)
so you are claiming citroen never asked ogier to slow down to let loeb win because loeb was always faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
sometimes i think people have actually forgotten why ogier preferred to drive a season in a s2000 car instead of driving a wrc next to loeb.
because he had a contract with VW...Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
why bother with something that hurts so much ??
Yes true and he develop polo for that reason. Look where he were next for years for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
you are such a genious. why are you even on this forum instead of solving world hunger?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
People do forget there were some close seasons when Loeb won the title. Also remember the fact that Ford M-Sport won two Manu titles beating Citroen.
People who? I don't see anyone forgetting that. Anyone with a minimal knowledge of recent WRC seasons knows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
You have a comprehansion problem. First of all I have never claimed Loeb was always faster. Secondly Ogier being few times faster doesn't mean he was the faster driver of the two in that time. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
world hunger is the reason we have normal lives.... in nature someone has to suffer in order for someone else to prosper.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Beat them once when they weren't even a proper manufacturer team and then again when they introduced a brand new car. I'd argue the second Manu title was more valuable than the first (against Citroen, not Kronos) but it's disputable, if not a little likely, Ford had the advantage in 06 and 07.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Just an impression I get whenever Loeb is mentioned... like he and Citroen were winning with virtually no contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
He and they were great, but Gronholm, Latvala and Hirvonen certainly kept them honest. Watching them in action the speed difference wasnt much... they were all world class.
from next rally Evans will have a focus rs as recce car.
It is very possible that Benito won't run :bandit:
I was under impression recce cars went sea freight from one long haul event to the next long haul event. While Elfyn is expected to have a Focus RS for recce in Corsica it will be interesting to see what is used as recce car in Argentina & Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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I remember reading it in 2015/2016 that M-Sport will retire its Volvo fleet. So, lets wait for it first.:D
There should be new generation Focus out in near future and RS is discontinued in this month i believe? Hard to believe, but maybe there isn`t such a big demand anymore for those, because of the head-gasket issues and long waiting time (last year was about one year, whereas Leon Cupra and Golf R come as hatchbacks /estates in a much faster time).
I suppose he quotes a wrong word :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
A Focus RS is always made in limited numbers... that's part of the reason why it's special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Well, yes, but there is a new generation coming and i believe this is the case here.
The RS always comes towards the end of a model run to boost it's image as its nearing replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
The Focus IV probably wont have an RS version til 2021 so expect the current RS recce cars to continue for a while...
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