I wouldn't put it past them trying to justify the exhaust as a brake cooling device. Remember the wheel discs ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
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I wouldn't put it past them trying to justify the exhaust as a brake cooling device. Remember the wheel discs ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
No change in suspension (to pullrod like Red Bull) because the gearbox is homologated so mounting the pullrod is impossible.
It is the casing that is homologated, so as to ensure that gear layout cannot be altered. However any decent designer would be able to design bolt-on brackets to take revised suspension mounting points, if required. Other teams, are capable of changing layout, so why not Ferrari?Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
The more I think about it the more I believe they will stick with the push rod configuration!Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
http://www.formula1.com/wi/597x478/s.../d10eur188.jpg
RedBull still employ heat sensors on the exterior of its suspension. Just not as substantially.
Red Bull heat sensors vvvvvvv
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Ferrari still got outperformed by McLaren and Red Bull at Valencia despite the upgrades. And this was a circuit, which in theory should be one of the best tracks for the Prancing Horse in 2010. Silverstone with its sweeping bends will be a major challenge for the car. I think Ferrari's will have to be content with a distant P3 in WCC this season.
There it is! No reason to even care anymore ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Maybe i've missed it but can someone explain why there was no barcode on the Ferrari's last few races? It's not an advert anyway despite all that BS about subliminal messages etc.
I only ask because an advertising industry friend has suggest Malboro aren't too happy with Ferrari right now and I wondered if the two were connected, ie Ferrari being cautious and removing it and angering Philip Morris.
Those two ideas don't quite match up - if it's not an advert or subliminal message (or at least intended as such), then why would Philip Morris be angered?Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
I believe it was removed because the EU were getting hot under the collar about it, threatening to take action on the basis that they considered it stealth advertising. The bar code has disappeared from the Ducati MotoGP bikes too.
You've answered your own question. It was removed in response to the belief that the barcode is a subliminal Marlboro advert. It has only been removed from the cars, not from Ferrari team clothing or driver overalls etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
The barcode was used for many years when Marlboro sponsored McLaren and it was known then to be a way around the ban on tobacco advertising, just as West changed their name to East on the Zakspeeds, or Camel altered their wording to Came1. B&H's Bitten & Hisses was another effective one.
Well because they're paying a lot of money a year to be associated and now can't be - as Arrows explains it was there way of being on the cars. Now they aren't in any way....makes you wonder how much longer they'll bother...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
Arrows - that's what I thought but really if its not an ad why remove it? Were they forced to or was it done by Ferrari to avoid issues? I've tried searching for a definitive answer but there doesn't seem to be one.
All this came from this contact who mentioned PM potentially withdrawing all sponsorship from Ferrari at the end of this year - he didn't mention Ducati however so i'm just trying to figure how legit this 'rumour' might be.
It was effectively an ad.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
I think Ferrari removed it to avoid further issues. They were the last of the 'tobacco' teams and had managed to 'get way' with the barcode advertising for some time. Perhaps they felt they'd pushed their luck for long enough :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
As for PM withdrawing sponsorship at the end of the year...as I understood it they 'own' all advertising space on the Ferrari and 'sell' it to other brands, so I guess they make money that way, but with the loss of the barcode they don't have any presence on the cars themselves. Their deal with Ferrari runs until 2011 so perhaps they're looking for an exit.
I would like if Ferrari can make the step forward, thoose updates they used the last race where useful.
The scores between Lewis and Fernando have to be even, not atleast in the light of the last saga.
As opposed to Jens' view I take Stefano D at his word and the last I heard they will be working on improving the car for quite some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Here again I will try to put Ferrari Valencia frustration into context! (And if you flame me I will kick your a@@ :) We (the viewers) really didn't get a complete picture of what they accomplished because we didn't know what fuel loads they were carrying during practice, and lets face it stuck down in the midfield is nowhere to be at Valencia. This coupled with what is the general consensus that the improvement were not to be nearly as advantages as they will be at a dedicated race tracks bodes well for the scuderia MARLBORO team. :s mokin: :laugh:
Also we have to realize Hamilton is a very fast driver, and is qualifies well at this track.
My assessing the practice times, the 3 qualifying stages and the first couple laps before the accident. The car was going well, so well Alonso was told to ease off and follow the wounded Hamilton for a while, (remember the broken end plate?) maybe until the stops.
I think Ferrari also have better sector 3 times than the Mclaren, sector 3 being very technical. Suggesting the F10 has improved slow speed characteristics with the new exhaust system jmhto
Thanks. I hope you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Straight from the horse's (Donkey) mouth: :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Be assured of one thing if nothing else:Quote:
The updates we brought to Spain saw us make a step forward and get closer to the front runners,” Fernando Alonso said. “I am satisfied with that, but also aware that we must continue to push on with the development of the F10, because we need to have a car capable of fighting for pole and to give us the edge over our rivals as soon as possible. If we are now 29 points off the championship leader, it means that in the next ten races, we have to score at least 30 more than whoever is in the lead at any one time.”
There ain't no quit in this guy! :bandit: :beer:
http://f1.automoto365.com/news/f1/al...0-41313-1.html
You guys do the math! I don't trust Fred :D
Agreed, fred needs to do moore than talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Fernando is beating his team-mate and not allowing the Ferrari management to back off development.
A vast improvement over the driver who was there last year, already.
who beat his teammate while driving a dog of a car and brought home the last Ferrari WDC in 2007 despite 2 fearsome competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
and another thing, Ferrari work hard on developing their car no matter who is driving them.
The same guy who had to ride bitch for Massa the last three races of 2008. Now who's whipping Massa's butt in the other car?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
pallone col bracciale makes a valid point!
Why don't you go bash Fettel or Mike! or Mark or Button. This is the Ferrari fans thread!
not some punk@@@ bashers thread!
wow, tell me how you really feel. Get a grip before yo faint from hyperventilation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
According to you helping support his teammate try to win the 2008 WDC is your standard for useless. The problem with ferrari fans like you is that your memory is selective, your judgments arbitrary and your opinions about drivers sways according to who is in the seat and what the media says about them.
I have far more respect for ioan with whom I do not agree but who is a huge ferrari fan grounded in reality and not opposed to criticizing them when it is called for.
I guess according to your world, a ferrari fans thread is a place to criticize a former ferrari driver who brought you a championship and then bash anyone pointing out that fact to them. Or is it simply the case that you have no argument and therefore all that is left is insulting and screaming :\
You must be confusing me for somone who actually gives a #### about your opinion of me! None the less why did you come on this thread? To contradict a new member when his legit opinion is being borne out with facts!! Massa wasted kimi in 2008 and to Kimi's credit he played his part as a supporting member. Ferrari supporters appreciate his contributions as far as you know!Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
But not in 2009. Which was last year. Not a long time ago, only last year. Then, they stopped developing the F60.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Fernando Alonso was not the driver then.
Whoever it was did not have the ability or desire to fight his corner well enough to stop the decision not to develop the car he was driving.
Which I, as a Tifosi, find unacceptable.
Whatever his faults, a lack of fight and determination is not an accusation that can be aimed at the current Ferrari lead driver, which I, as a Ferrari fan, am very happy about.
I do not believe a real Ferrari fan would think much differently.
:up: Ciao ^^ :) Dude... welcome! We are not worthy :andrea: Grazie!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Since MS, Todt and Brawn left the decisions are taken by LdM, so I can not condemn Kimi for a decision he did not take, nor could I condemn him for not caring about what Ferrari did with the F60 as he knew that he was out of the team anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Kimi always had a laid back attitude however rubbishing him for other people's decision is completely out of line.
Funny how he was lacking this determined fighting spirit 6 days ago when he had to fight Kobayashi, instead he preferred to run his mouth for most of the race!Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Or maybe for Italians fighting spirit means b!tching around for 60 minutes?! :rolleyes:
sure have a strange way of appreciating his contributionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
new poster trashes kimi, I explain to the poster that Kimi actually was better than he thinks and actually won the WDC for you, as well as explaining that your team works hard to improve their cars no matter who is driving them and you take this post as some sort of afront on Ferrari or Alonso or whatever. I'm not sure what is truly bothering you but I beleive my post is the least of your worries. Anger management would be a start, perhaps reading the post would be the next step, and then maybe learning how to interpret information without seeing "enemies at the gate" would be a third. Until then, i fear you and I can't have much of a conversation. This is an open forum to anyone and this particular thread is not an exclusive club where comments will go unchallenged because the narrative suits your opinions.
By the looks of things, it seems that you are the only one going off wildly about my original post, so perhaps you might want to rethink your approach towards others http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...s/rolleyes.gif
No!! I've moved on, You can think about it all you want! Carry on! :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
True, it was not his decision, but he rolled over without a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Great Ferrari drivers do not do that.
They threw him out of the team, why would he care?Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
I wonder what do you know about great Ferrari drivers?!
You rubbish a Ferrari WDC while gushing over Alonso who, for now, contributed nothing to the great Ferrari history.
A very good post!Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I watched the 2008 & 2009 seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
It appears you didn't see them, but they were on the television.
And I don't find it surprising that it is a Mclaren fan saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Lauda, Scheckter, Schumacher. They were great Ferrari drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Alonso still has the chance to be....something Kimi does not. His chance has gone.
Posting a list of names is useless, what do you know about them?!Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
As far as I am concerned up to this moment Kimi did more for Ferrari than Alonso.Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
You chose to support the driver who probably said eh worse things about Ferrari in the past and in the same time you are trashing a driver who, championship to Ferrari.
I gave Kimi plenty of love when he was with the Scuderia. Now he is history he was beaten by FelipeQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
in 2008, and was behind (slightly) Massa in 2009 before his injury. Kimi really did yeoman’s duty after that event, but he didn’t excel in that car at the time Massa and he drove it. Check the archives. I worshiped Kimi when he was with the Scuderia! Now he has been replaced by a better and more accomplished pilot!
Kimi said very little about anything!Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Weve come full circle. Now as was stated, Fred is very engaged at Ferrari.
Kimi is gone, why waste time on him? He is one in a long line of great Ferrari Pilots. What else does he deserve?
I dunno why is this Alonso - Kimi fight. I supported Kimi while he was a Ferrari driver and I support Alonso now. Both are amazing drivers with amazing talent. That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Luca? Stefano?? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale
Someone with such a flawed logic can only be one of the two men who are leading Ferrari right now. It's funny how they assumed that finding the next Schumacher, i.e. getting Alonso and his magical "6 tenths" would be enough for them to win the WDC, while they forgot the three much more important aspects of the team that won all those championships, Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne.
If not for Kimi, Ferrari would have finished 3rd in the Drivers World Championship in 2007.
Even if Mike stayed?Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Hold the phone chief. This season is 1/2 over, a little early to be writing it off.
I know what a big Kimi honk you are.
in 2005 Fred beat Kimi straight up. That Mclaren was as fast or faster than the Renault! (although Kimi did have a perpensity of detonating it) :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Not sure if you thought twice before coming up with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio