Is global warming/climate change a crock?

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Originally Posted by tinchote

I was concretely talking about the fact that you said the the only person qualified to talk about this is a climatologist. And I just don't agree with that. And, by the way, Patterson doesn't mention just things from 450 million years ago. He mentions that 6000 years ago temperature was 3C higher than it is now: can you deny that?

In any case, my main point is not to deny the warming, but to discuss its consequences. We are told that an increase in temperature is catastrophic. As I have asked many times: does that mean that a decrease in temperature will improve the world in any sense? Or does it mean that the current temperatures are "perfect"? I find that hard to believe.

I know I'm biased on this particular bit, but being someone that walks to work in January under -40 weather, it's tough to convince me that "warmer is worse" ;)

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Ahh no, what I said was if you want to know what is happening now, ask a climatologist. I never said they are the only people qualified to talk about the climate.

Not sure about the temp 6000 years ago, can you post a link?

As I have said before, an increase in temp is not catastrophic. The speed of the increase is.

Fair enough on the -40 bit. Never experienced that kind of temp so its hard for me to guess what it is like. But spare a thought for the environmental refugees. At least your country is not disappearing.

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Originally Posted by rah

Ahh no, what I said was if you want to know what is happening now, ask a climatologist. I never said they are the only people qualified to talk about the climate.

Not sure about the temp 6000 years ago, can you post a link?

As I have said before, an increase in temp is not catastrophic. The speed of the increase is.

Fair enough on the -40 bit. Never experienced that kind of temp so its hard for me to guess what it is like. But spare a thought for the environmental refugees. At least your country is not disappearing.

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As I said before. Explain the Thames freezing over in the middle of this century? The climate has always been changing. Get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

As I said before. Explain the Thames freezing over in the middle of this century? The climate has always been changing. Get used to it.

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No, I won't 'get used to it'. because plenty of scientists who, with respect, know more about the situation than you do think otherwise. Do you seriously think that they have discounted the differences over long periods of time in their calculations? I do not believe that they would have made such a fundamental error.

Why not ring one up and ask them if they have investigated this particular point?

Ok. You tell me how much of a change in air temperature would cause a large body of water like the Thames to freeze over. Then tell me that we've not seen larger changes in air temperature in the past when CO2 levels have been high, not as high or just downright bloody irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Ok. You tell me how much of a change in air temperature would cause a large body of water like the Thames to freeze over. Then tell me that we've not seen larger changes in air temperature in the past when CO2 levels have been high, not as high or just downright bloody irrelevant.

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I don't know. I'm not a scientist. Neither are you.

Scientists once thought the earth was flat and the sun went into the underworld at night. I could go on....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Scientists once thought the earth was flat and the sun went into the underworld at night. I could go on....

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You choose to believe some scientists, though.

But I do that on the understanding that it's only theory and possibly wrong. When as Tinchote states there have been periods where CO2 levels have been high but temperatures low. Explain that? If CO2 is such a strong greenhouse gas then why weren't temperatures at alltime highs?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But I do that on the understanding that it's only theory and possibly wrong. When as Tinchote states there have been periods where CO2 levels have been high but temperatures low. Explain that? If CO2 is such a strong greenhouse gas then why weren't temperatures at alltime highs?

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I can't. I'm not a scientist. Why do you think that so many climatologists have failed to take this point you keep making into account? If you think they're all wrong, tell one and see what they say.

Can't be bothered. No use telling a religious/cultist person that one of the cornerstones of their religion/cult may be incorrect.