Do You Know the Real Islam?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

It is amazing that a large portion of this thread seems to consist of calling Christians are no better, or worse than Muslims, despite the thousand of people murdered by Muslims in the past decade.
Sounds like a bit of bigotry to me and yes I am bigoted against the Muslim faith.

At the same time I have worked with and had Muslim friends who were either decent people, or good ole boy hell raisers who liked to have good time.

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Do you have any Muslim friends now? Or would you be too afraid still to socialise with them, for fear of what might happen?

Being bigoted is nothing to be proud of under any circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

That's nitpicking, isn't it?

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No. Such errors, when combined with the point of view being expressed, indicate to me that the individual concerned is not intelligent enough to formulate a reasonable, cogent argument. The fact that their opinions are lifted from a website confirms that view.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Give me the death tolls, for the past ten years...

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Why just the last 10 years?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Not really and I think I justified myself in my response. I'm noticing you are starting to get a little more aggressive in your posts and maybe this has something to do with the fact people here are producing some very valid questions and arguments that you have no answer for? I am not a religious man and have seen zero evidence that any form of supernatural force is watching over us as human beings. You are welcome to believe what you wish, but suggesting we are biased and spouting rhetoric because you can't justify why you believe there is a god is not my problem.
---This thread is not about my beliefs and having to, nor do I have to, or would I ever try to, justify my faith to anyone. The statement preceding this puts an exclamation point on your bigotry.

What is it with death tolls and stats for each religion? Why should that matter? How can we differentiate between deaths caused because of religion and a group planting IED's and shooting our soldiers because they don't want us in their country and taking control of their economy. I personally feel we are attempting to do good in these places even if I don't agree its doing any good btw.

If a christian American/British soldier shoots somebody dead (possibly a Muslim) during a firefight, you state it was an act of war with a very political cause and to rid the world of evil. If a Muslim Taliban fighter shoots a soldier or plants an IED (cowardly I agree), you state it was because he is Muslim and is killing people purely because his holy book has told him to do so. Get real. You can't differentiate between the two as we are at war for political reasons, not entirely religious, and that goes for both sides.

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---------My what a blatant ignoring of the bombing of mosques, churches, weddings, funerals, shopping centers by the Muslim (soldiers?)
If you think that is just war, too bad you are not running the war over there. It would have been over years ago by indiscriminately turning, as many need be, Muslim cites and villages into " smoking holes in the desert. "{That is the simple statement by H. Clinton that proved she would have been better than the Obama.})

LOL, so you think you, or some have, to even a hint of a degree, produced- "some very valid questions and arguments"- hot damn, you have some very low expectations for a valid arguments (there was one point of the Irish, that was valid to its degree and that is the ONLY item that could be called valid.)

What has been produced here is at the Pee-Wee Herman level of " I know I'm not, what about you?"

Opinions that are biased, to genuinely bigoted, has been all that has been produced, while ignoring facts that make the Islam-Christian analogy pathetic at best, and stupid at worst.

Muslims are murdering people, both infidels and opposing denominations (or what ever Sunni, Shiite etc. call other Muslims.)
The effort is being made here, without a base, to say Christians are no different.
(An effort was made to say Eastern religions were so much more peaceful; whereas that ignores how the Japanese treated others during WWII, the conflicts between Pakistan and India, and probably a few other conflicts by these people with their peaceful religion that does not come to mind.)

If that is so, give me the numbers in the twenty first, or hell, even the twentieth Century of people murdered by Christians in the name of the Bible, randomly or by discriminate choice, those not of their faith.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Do you have any Muslim friends now? Or would you be too afraid still to socialise with them, for fear of what might happen?

Being bigoted is nothing to be proud of under any circumstances.

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No, to both questions.

It does not seem that long ago, but it has been ten years since I last worked with one, although while trying to find the correct church, I walked into the building where the church had been and it was now a mosque.
When I walked in, it was a night service and the lights were on, and asked if this was the Methodist church, the Somalians inside smiled laughed and said, no that had moved one block down. They also said I was not the first one to do that.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You are prattling on with accusation and childish insults about Christian this, that and other things.
Defend your rhetoric with some sort of fact; whereas failure to do so simply amounts to blind bigotry.

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Okay, I will try for a third time.

Do you have any evidence that 'god' wants to have a personal relationship with humans? As I said earlier, given the size of the universe and the history of species on this one planet we call Earth, that is quite a self-centered assumption to make.

I have lots of facts in order to defend my argument, but your argument hasn't developed enough for me to be able to use them.

Who is the Islam's quarterback??

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

It has been written in this forum, many times, that the New Testament fulfills the old and the laws, which were, for the Jews.
Jesus fulfilling of what was written in the Old Testament makes that verse moot.

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I really don't know what you are talking about - and if has been said many times in this forum, it must be true

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Your bias or bigotry makes you bliind to that fact.

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Bob, I was brought up as a Christian and it did not take me long to reject the fear mongering "lessons". I am not biased nor a bigot and do not need to prove it's "truth" to you. I am at peace with my experiences (and notice how I didn't say beliefs).

peace

:s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Okay, I will try for a third time.

Do you have any evidence that 'god' wants to have a personal relationship with humans? As I said earlier, given the size of the universe and the history of species on this one planet we call Earth, that is quite a self-centered assumption to make.

I have lots of facts in order to defend my argument, but your argument hasn't developed enough for me to be able to use them.

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Evidence- hmm, that would mean one either believes there is a god of some sort, or is seriously trying to inquire if there is one. Then one would read the/a religions holy text to see what it says.

Does God want to have a personal relationship?
No, I would say, God would be happy if one wants to have a relationship with him. If one does not, God will not worry about it.

You have facts to prove there is no god of any sort?
Now that is something entirely different, as no religion has proof of any sort, a god exists.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Evidence- hmm, that would mean one either believes there is a god of some sort, or is seriously trying to inquire if there is one. Then one would read the/a religions holy text to see what it says.

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What the Bible says, amongst other things, is that Jesus turned water into wine. Any sensible being of sound mind knows that this is impossible. Not the most reliable source, perhaps.