Prodrive Mini WRC

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Originally Posted by Mirek

I have to tell You that actually You are wrong. The thing is a bit confusing (more than just a bit :) ).

What Prodrive calls SuperProduction in PR materials of Mini is in fact S2000 1.6T (official FIA name for this class - see 2011 FIA App.J or Regional championships rules).

That's what comes to names, now about machinery. S2000 1.6T (or SP if You like) is practically same car is S2000 2.0 N/A except engine and it's devices (like intercooler). Even transmission is same (just new gear ratios).

And now to make it even more confusing we have WRC cars which are almost same too. They only have new aero and brake package and different engine flywheel. But otherwise these cars are same (at least their rules are exactly same - again see 2011 App.J).

So we have 3 different cars which are more or less S2000 - 2.0 N/A S2000, 1.6T S2000 and WRC.

Can You understand that now? :)


PS Sorry for not answering Your PM. I decided to answer here so that other confused people can see that too.

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Mirek, I compered the brakes of Fiesta S2000 (N/A 2.000) and DS3 1.6T WRC and they are the same size. So if press material is wrong or is wrong the whole PR about diferences between ordinary S2000 and new WRC. They are different only between SP and WRC or they are the same size? :confused:
My opinion about Superproduction: WTF? :arrows:

To keep things clear on the forum, we should talk of:
S20000 for the old, pre 1.1.2011 cars
WRCars for the 2011 WRCars
and SP for the 1.6t S2000's homologated from 1.1.2011

the SP is a WRCar wolf disguised as a S2000 sheep :)


so far, only 2 man have plans with SP cars: Daniel Oliviere with the Mini Countryman SP in the Portugal Rally, and Nasser Al Attiyah with a Mini Countryman SP winning back his MERC title. It could be a Fiesta SP if Ford is ready in time, but only a SP will stand for Al Attiyah in 2011 MERC.

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Originally Posted by modri dirkac

Mirek, I compered the brakes of Fiesta S2000 (N/A 2.000) and DS3 1.6T WRC and they are the same size. So if press material is wrong or is wrong the whole PR about diferences between ordinary S2000 and new WRC. :confused:
My opinion about Superproduction: WTF? :arrows:

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Unfortunately exact differences in brake kit are not part of App.J. They are written in homologation regulations which are not available to public. But for sure there are more ways to differ brake than just disc diameter (like other dimensions, water cooling etc.).

By the article in GP Week, WRC cars have water-cooled brakes.

http://mag.gpweek.com/?iid=41840 (page 46)

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Originally Posted by alleskids

To keep things clear on the forum, we should talk of:
S20000 for the old, pre 1.1.2011 cars
WRCars for the 2011 WRCars
and SP for the 1.6t S2000's homologated from 1.1.2011

the SP is a WRCar wolf disguised as a S2000 sheep :)

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My doubt, and not only a doubt from me is:

Why everybody is calling the new cars as S2000? It's wrong.

Why a S2000 car is called S2000? Because it has a 2000cc engine.

Why call S2000 to a new car when it was born as a WRC and has a 1.6T engine? Can't understand.

This is simple.

We have:
WRC cars
SP Cars
S2000 cars
and S2000 with 1.6T engine cars

It's simple :D

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Originally Posted by JAM

My doubt, and not only a doubt from me is:

Why everybody is calling the new cars as S2000? It's wrong.

Why a S2000 car is called S2000? Because it has a 2000cc engine.

Why call S2000 to a new car when it was born as a WRC and has a 1.6T engine? Can't understand.

This is simple.

We have:
WRC cars
SP Cars
S2000 cars
and S2000 with 1.6T engine cars

It's simple :D

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But "SP cars" and "S2000 with 1.6 T engine cars" are the same

Maybe the new class should be called Turbo 1600 or T1600 for short.

Concise and simple for any spectator to understand and comprehend. Super Production is vague, especially on a car that is nothing remotely like a production model.

Just blame the FIA for al that stupid names! :p
Even we the rally fans will not understand which type of car we see on the stages! :s mokin:

ehh its a prodrive wrc thread and you guys are talking away of the mark!! can we get back to the wrc?

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Originally Posted by manta400

ehh its a prodrive wrc thread and you guys are talking away of the mark!! can we get back to the wrc?

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When wrc.com says that Daniel Oliveira will run a Mini Countryman with S2000 spec on the rally of Portugal, this discussion is usefull.

What Mini will be that?